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Just checking Saturday decs and see Spring of Fame is now with Godolphin. It really annoys me that Godolphin buy so many of these horses from "lesser" trainers/owners and then move them to S Bin Suroor. Why not buy the horse but leave it with the trainer (M Magnusson in this case)? They’d probably have more success if they did!
Of all the horses they buy and move, how many never end up on a racecourse under there ownership or never get near fulfilling there potential. Generally this is true of all the backend season 2yo maiden winners they buy. The bermuda triangle!
At least on this occassion Spring of Fame has made the track!
I hope it fares better than the last one they bought off Magnusson. They didnt get full value for their 525,000gns with Kehaar.
My apologies MDeering. But it is worth noting not every memeber of this site has been here long term. If you have commented previously then just ignore this thread!
There’s nothing wrong with bringing it up again seeing it’s the start of a new flat season. It lets people know what the score is.
On the flip side, if you’re a small-time owner/breeder and Godolphin come along and make you an offer you can’t refuse, it’s going to change your life forever. Similar scenario with JP McManus.
My point is not so much Godolphin buying a horse its moving it to S Bin Suroor. JP McManus bought Karabak from a smaller owner but he still left the horse with A King.
Surely a trainer gets to know his horses and so moving them to a completely different trainer makes all that time and effort wasted and means the new trainer has to do it all again. And this is in part why I think Godolphin are struggling these days.
If they got rid of Dettori it would be a massive help.
If they insist on boycotting people’s stallions they are always going to struggle as they have no decent ones of their own, Exceed and Excel amongst current company excepted. I see they have a two year old by Giant’s Causeway declared this weekend. They wouldn’t have bought that at the sales, so I was wondering where that came from?The Giant’s Causeway was bred by Stonerside Stable, the outfit that Sheikh Mo bought out last year that included horses such as Raven’s Pass etc. so would therefore have been bred before Sheikh Mo owned them.
They race all over the world for numerous different trainers in numerous different countries if they don’t cut it with Godolphin. All Godolphin horses have nominee owners in the Maktoum Family. Can’t see the problem with them buying proven horses rather than just guessing at the sales and nobody is forced to sell their horse to Godolphin. And it’s not just Godolphin that have expensive flops – The Green Monkey could’ve happened to any billionaire.
Surely a trainer gets to know his horses and so moving them to a completely different trainer makes all that time and effort wasted and means the new trainer has to do it all again. And this is in part why I think Godolphin are struggling these days.
How many of Godolphin’s Group 1 winners (back to 1994) were born and raised under the Darley umbrella in the first place?
Rubbish argument – try again.
Your tone is just ridiculous MDeering! "Rubbish argument – Try again" is what you wrote…that is completely condescending and disrespectful!
They have had loads of Group one winners but they could have had so much more if they had not moved there horses around. Remember this is an opinion…my opinion.
….If they insist on boycotting people’s stallions they are always going to struggle as they have no decent ones of their own, Exceed and Excel amongst current company excepted…
What about Cape Cross, sire of Ouija Board and now Sea The Stars ?
Sea The Stars is by the same dam – HK businessman David Tsui’s 1993 Arc winner Urban Sea – as was Galileo.
I think that maternal influence combined with the Northern Dancer bloodline via Cape Cross will achieve at least the same as it did with the Northern Dancer bloodline via Sadler’s Wells.
Cape Cross of course stands at Darley’s Kildangan stud.
Small signs, but I wonder if juveniles seemingly going to Wachman this year rather than APOB, and the retirement last year of their crown jewel Sadler’s Wells, and time not standing still for John Magnier any more than the rest of us, will mark the start of the ebb of Coolmore’s fortunes from the heights achieved with APOB.
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wit
Interesting final observation. witt. See Aidan’s interview with press(Independent with Chris McGrath April10th) Winds of change…………. I don’t believe Magnier can afford to hand over to Wachman until he proves himself.Tabor and Smith are big Aidan fans with no bent towards a beginner.After all the Jamie Spencer push in was a failure was it not? Fallon would not be beaten on the race course and that is all Tabor and Smith care about. They are gamblers. Also look at the studs that Tabor has brought to Coolmore. He must have a say.Washman has yet to prove he can plan and deliver on a 2yo to classic status.And that is where the money is.
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