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that wanted to judge Imperial Commander on his Gold Cup form Gord, not I.
You
said "…the most important factor to take from the Argento was the fact Cape Tribulation gave 6lb to a
previous Gold Cup Winner
, who was pretty straight from what I saw of him…"
How did you come to the
163
Cape Tribulation Gord if you believe IC ran to around 164? CT gave IC 6 lbs and a half length beating. So if CT ran to 163, IC must have only ran to
156
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Ginge,let me put it this way for arguments sake.Saturdays Argento chase was won by
Cape Tribulation
a horse rated no more than 165 at the moment,I have no doubts when he goes and wins The Gold Cup itself he’ll be rated nearer 175 so I’m looking at the bigger picture already with him as I’m totally convinced he’s still improving.
Imperial Commander
on the other hand is deteriorating simply due to age and injury,he’s still the same horse who has a Gold cup to his name but wont be the force of old.Nigel definately had him fit enough to win on Saturday as Paddy was oozing confidence on him all the way round,now we know as Gospel that ‘Imperial’ is a far better horse on better ground than he encountered at the weekend in fact the last time he ran on ground like that he was pulled up so I’m considering the effect the ground had on him in my assessment and thats why I’m happy with a mark of 164,you dont think the Official handicapper will drop him to 156 when he puts ‘Cape’ up to 163 do you? No he’s taking into consideration all the elements surrounding this picture,its certainly not Black and White otherwise he’d put ‘Cape’ up to 170 and for as much as some of us know he’ll achieve that mark,suggesting he earned it on Saturday is open to debate.No matter how the ‘IC’ brigade want to dress it up even on Good ground ‘CT’ has his measure these days and 33/1 is just too big,in a match its 4/5 ‘IC’ against 5/4 ‘CT’ and I know who’d I’d like to be on after Saturdays performance!
So it is not at all "important" (let alone
"most important"
) that Cape Tribulation beat an ex-Gold Cup winner then, is it Gord?!
Cape Tribulation’s rating/chance of winning the Gold Cup has absolutely NOTHING to do with beating an ex-Gold Cup winner… Because that Gold Cup winner did not run anywhere near his Gold Cup form.Anyway, enough of these word games. Let’s just hope Cape Tribulation (or First Lieutenent) wins.
If it came up soft on Gold Cup day Gord, I’d be interested in backing another of Saturday’s winners for the Blue Riband. And he only won a handicap!
Value Is EverythingSo it is not at all "important" (let alone
"most important"
) that Cape Tribulation beat an ex-Gold Cup winner then, is it Gord?!
Cape Tribulation’s rating/chance of winning the Gold Cup has absolutely NOTHING to do with beating an ex-Gold Cup winner… Because that Gold Cup winner did not run anywhere near his Gold Cup form.Anyway, enough of these word games. Let’s just hope Cape Tribulation (or First Lieutenent) wins.
If it came up soft on Gold Cup day Gord, I’d be interested in backing another of Saturday’s winners for the Blue Riband. And he only won a handicap!
The ‘Most Important’ factor is really the manner in which
Cape Tribulation
won and that was in the style of a Gold Cup winner,dig a bit deeper and he has excellent Cheltenham form,I’ve said it several times on here in the past that the 2 horses to take from the 2009 Albert Bartlett was the winner,a certain Gold Cup horse in
Weapons Amnesty
and the fifth
Cape Tribulation
.As for your handicapper
Katenko
……..Not a prayer!
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35 points @ 4/1 (WH) Oscara Dara* (min 4/1)24 points @ 10/1 (b365) Double Ross* (min 17/2)
One more main bet to come at (hopefully if I can get up) between 8:00am and 9:00am tomorrow morning…
Plus one or two saver bets of course.
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11 points @ 40/1 (PP) Incentivise* (min 33/1)18 points @ 14/1 (VC) Makethe Mostofnow* (min 13/1)
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11 points @ 40/1 (PP) Incentivise* (min 33/1)18 points @ 14/1 (VC) Makethe Mostofnow* (min 13/1)
26 points @ 9/1 (betfair) Summery Justice* (min 8/1) (£29 available)
Value Is EverythingAbove should’ve read 10/1 Summery Justice, but will keep it 9/1 as it was my fault.
Value Is Everything2:40 Ffos Las
11 points @ 40/1 (PP) Incentivise* (min 33/1)18 points @ 14/1 (VC) Makethe Mostofnow* (min 13/1)
26 points @ 9/1 (betfair) Summery Justice* (min 8/1) (£29 available)
10 points @ 11/2 (FD) Cannington Brook (min 11/2)
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36 points @ 9/2 (B365) Fourjacks* (min 9/2)
12 points @ 3/1 (VC) Super Duty (min 3/1)Value Is Everything3:35 Sandown
25 points @ 7/1 (SJ) Summery Justice* (min 13/2)Saver:
9 points @ 13/2 (WH) Roberto Goldback (min 13/2)One more main bet to come in this race.
Value Is Everything3:35 Sandown
25 points @ 7/1 (SJ) Summery Justice* (min 13/2)Saver:
9 points @ 13/2 (WH) Roberto Goldback (min 13/2)One more main bet to come in this race.
15 points @ 5.8/1 (betfair) Mister Hyde* (min 5/1) (£15 available)
May top up in the morning when there is more liquidity..Value Is Everything2:05 Ffos Las
35 points @ 4/1 (WH) Oscara Dara* (min 4/1)24 points @ 10/1 (b365) Double Ross* (min 17/2)
One more main bet to come at (hopefully if I can get up) between 8:00am and 9:00am tomorrow morning…
Plus one or two saver bets of course.
18 points @ 16/1 (L) The Romford Pele* (min 11/1)
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