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  • #26376
    parlo
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    2 late entries for the German Derby on Sunday, July, 6th, from abroad:

    Geoffrey Chaucer (seeded #5)
    Pinzolo (seeded #9).

    Buzzword succeed in an average-generation some years ago. Brown Panther failed as favourite due to a bad ride on heavy going.

    How will G.C. and P. do next Sunday?

    #484442
    moehat
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    parlo; I met a lovely lady at Newmarket on Friday who breeds horses in Germany. Her name was Birgit and one of her horses is called ‘It’s Gino’. Do you know her? We had a lovely chat about horses and German horses in particular; she even remembered Fieppes Shuffle :)

    #484444
    parlo
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    Sorry, I don’t know her personally. But

    It’s Gino

    , an unlucky Arc-third, is the revelation of sires in GER this season. What will he do with better-quality-mares?

    http://www.galopp-sport.de/dvrWebApp/ht … R=10781361

    #484452
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    Crikey; I hadn’t realised the horse had been third in the Arc [my German not being very good and her English wasn’t helped by the loud background music in the pub]. They’d just been to see Frankel. We spent most of the time talking about Danedream and Fieppes Shuffle, but her knowledge of bloodlines was astounding.

    #484456
    parlo
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    We are going to leave the thread-theme, but:

    It’s Gino

    was betrayed in the Arc! He was 3rd indeed in Zarkava’s Arc and the photo showed him in front of Soldier of Fortune, but the Longchamp-Stewards called it a dead-heat:

    http://www.express.co.uk/sport/horserac … n-the-Turf

    #484459
    moehat
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    I feel really bad that I didn’t recognise his name when she told me :oops:

    #484487
    parlo
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    1 Lucky Lion 58,0 Gestüt Winterhauch (A.Löwe) I.Mendizabal 115
    2 Sea The Moon 58,0 Gestüt Görlsdorf (M.Klug) C.Soumillon 113
    3 Magic Artist 58,0 Stall Salzburg (W.Figge)

    D.Probert

    112
    4 Wild Chief 58,0 Stall Fürstenhof (J.Hirschberger) F.Lefebvre 112
    5

    Geoffrey Chaucer

    58,0

    Frau S.Magnier u.a. (A.P.O’Brien) R.-L.Moore

    110
    6 Swacadelic 58,0 Stall Ullmann (J.-P.Carvalho) F.Minarik 107
    7 Born To Run 58,0 Stall Carolus (R.Dzubasz)

    M.J.Dwyer

    107
    8 Speedy Approach 58,0

    J.Abdullah

    (Andr.Wöhler) E.Pedroza 105
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    Pinzolo

    58,0

    Godolphin Management Co.Ltd. (Ch.Appleby) W.Buick

    104
    10 Madurai 58,0 Gestüt Am Schlossgarten GbR (W.Hickst) A.Pietsch 104
    11 Weltmacht 56,5 Gestüt Röttgen (M.Klug)

    T.P.Queally

    100
    12 Chartbreaker 58,0 Stall Brasilien (Andr.Wöhler) C.Demuro 98
    13 Giant’s Cauldron 58,0 Gestüt Ebbesloh (P.Schiergen) A.de Vries 97
    14 Amazonit 58,0 Gestüt Karlshof (J.Hirschberger)

    H.Bentley

    96
    15 Karltheodor 58,0 Peter Sander (R.Dzubasz)

    M.J.Lane

    96
    16 Open your Heart 58,0 Gestüt Karlshof (R.Dzubasz) M.Demuro 96
    17 Russian Bolero 58,0 Rennstall Darboven (Andr.Wöhler) J.Bojko 93
    18 Baltic Storm 58,0 Gestüt Ammerland (J.D.Hillis)

    F.Tylicki

    92
    19 Eric 58,0 Frau G.Gaul (Chr.Frhr.v.d.Recke) (xxxx) 92
    20 Amorous Adventure 58,0 Stall Heymann GmbH (K.Demme) M.Pecheur 90

    21 Firestorm 58,0 Stall Hornoldendorf (P.Schiergen) D.Porcu 88
    22 Finoras 58,0 Gestüt Etzean (Frau R.Weißmeier) (xxxx) 88
    23 Lac Leman 58,0 Gestüt Auenquelle (R.Dzubasz) St.Hellyn 78
    24 Highwayman 58,0 J.M.B.O’Connor (P.Schiergen) D.Schiergen 78

    This is the complete list of candidates. No. 21 to 24 only will be allowed to start, if a horse out of No. 1 to No. 20 does not take part. Chiffre behind name of jockey is present official rating.

    http://www.galopp-sport.de/dvrWebApp/ht … NR=1269495

    #484490
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    So the late entries prevent horses already entered from running if they have a higher rating? Seems unfair.

    #484497
    parlo
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    Well, which version of elimination-rules is "fair"?

    Those horses eliminated will get back their last stake (1,750 €) and the horses supplemented have to pay stakes of 10 % of the total prize-money = 65,000 € instead of 7,500 €.

    In some 145 renewals there has never ever been a German Derby-winner who hadn’t won at least a single race before the Derby and I can’t remember a winner with an official rating below 106 (BHB) in at least recent 20 years.

    The German Derby always has difficulties to keep its "G1"-level in International competition. So it’s good for the race to have entries with proven high ratings – thus horses from abroad are welcomed.

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    I’ve backed Sea the Moon at 150s for The Arc so hopeful of a big run.

    #484580
    parlo
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    So the late entries prevent horses already entered from running if they have a higher rating? Seems unfair.

    Since those rules had been introduced in 1979 the winner with the highest No. was 17 (Laroche). But there has been a 2nd placed with No. 20 and a 3rd placed with No. 19 aswell in that period.

    #484877
    moehat
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    I’m not having a bet but if I was I’d risk an ew on the filly.

    #484880
    parlo
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    Well, that would end a losing run for famous Röttgen Stud in the German Derby beginning after its Uomo won in 1959!

    IMO a filly among the first 3 in the Derby is most often an indication of a sub-standard generation.

    #484881
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    Well, I don’t want that to be the case, certainly not with one of my beloved Sea the Stars progeny running!

    #484894
    moehat
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    No worries about that then. Wish at least one racing radio had’ve had the race on though :(

    #484895
    Avatar photoThe Young Fella
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    Cue the nonsense.

    #484896
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    Freak! :shock:

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