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he could not be called a great horse as he hadn’t won an all aged group one at that current time.
I do not think anyone is calling him a great horse yet that would be stupid. But he has tons of ability and can go down as a very good winner of a decent 2000 Guineas.
BTW two of the top older milers (Soviet Song and Proclamation) have both attained similar figures on both fast and soft ground over a mile.
Correct but the ground was by far the softer at Curragh than it was in Goodwood. Goodwood was never in doubt of going ahead, the Curragh was. Goodwood did not have to start its sprint races by a flag start, the Curragh had to because the ground was so bad.
Last Saturday George Washington did not have to just be able to handle normal run of the mill "soft" ground….he had to handle bottomless heavy ground that was verging on unraceable as the track manager himself admitted on RTE.<br> <br>
My going allowances for Goodwood and the Curragh on the respective days suggest that the Curragh was riding around 40 lengths slower over the mile. It was desperate, desperate ground on Saturday.
(Edited by Gareth Flynn at 8:59 pm on May 31, 2006)
Fair enough Aidan.
I’m sure you’re looking forward to see GW take on the older horses on fast ground, as am I.
Do you think he will handle ‘normal’ soft ground though? I seem to recall he was pulled out of the Dewhurst because of soft ground. Do you think he’d be equally effective on ‘normal’ soft ground as he is on fast ground?
If he was pulled out of dewhurst cos of "soft ground", why was he running on bottomless stuff on Saturday? I still dont get it :angry:
Clivex
It may be that the Ballydoyle team believe that GW is a phenomenally talented colt, and they ran him as although they new he would be less effective on the ground, that he would ‘get away with it’ in that company.
Quote: from clivex on 9:55 am on June 1, 2006[br]If he was pulled out of dewhurst cos of "soft ground", why was he running on bottomless stuff on Saturday? I still dont get it :angry: <br>I think it has a lot to do with being seen to support a classic at The Curragh.I was listening to RTE radio about an hour before the race and they said that APOB was reluctant to run the horse.In hindsight it was definitely a mistake.
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Quote: from Soviet Song on 10:27 am on June 1, 2006[br]Clivex<br>It may be that the Ballydoyle team believe that GW is a phenomenally talented colt, and they ran him as although they new he would be less effective on the ground, that he would ‘get away with it’ in that company.
In what company SS – it was still a 2000 Guineas and one of the main 4 3yo 8f races in IRL, UK, & FR. Doesn’t make sense to chance him if the ground is not right. Nobody would have begrudged them if they had have pulled him at the last minute. (well except clive!;) )
Luke, good point by the way? :shrug: <br>
Not fair David! I was expecting the withdrawl
I think it was simply a mistake. But if it leaves a mark…then it was a serious one
O’Brien made it clear at the Dewhurst meeting that the reason they did not want to run him on easy ground that day was because he had already had a pretty long season (5 races) and they did not want to be going into the winter with his last experience of racing being negative. He stated they would be willinging to run him on easier ground this year. On good to soft ground I think he would have won easily the last day.
O’Brien is always out front when his horses are injured.The operation is too big for anything else.By the same token we were never told exactly why Sir Percy was kept in his box after the Guineas. Only that he was not himself and the race took a lot out of him, fancy that!
and they did not want to be going into the winter with his last experience of racing being negative
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Wouldnt want that any time surely?
Accept that 5 runs at 2 is enough
Surely not worth the risk with a very exciting 2yo – but maybe worth the risk once he had proved himself already as a Classic winner.
They would rather have a spectacular Guineas winner retire to stud than have another Fasliyev or Johannesburg.
Andyod – they did explain after the Guineas that Sir Percy had been jarred up on the ground, did you want a more technical veterinary diagnosis?
<br>Following this morning’s bulletin, it appears to be getting even more unlikely that we’ll see him on the track again.
Hopefully he’ll make it back for the QEII or Breeders Cup as I’d be gutted if this was the case but this is getting reminiscent of Hawk Wing’s 4yo career.
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Quote: from PAULCS on 9:53 am on June 29, 2006[br] this is getting reminiscent of Hawk Wing’s 4yo career.
<br>You mean living off the hype generated by one over-rated success?
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<br>That’s not my opinion yquem but I can see it going that way with a lot of people if they don’t get him back.
Why was the gunieas success overrated?
His only challenger was the derby winner FFS :angry:
what more can a poor horse do?
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