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Although Araafa has put in some decent winning performances, he’d be an average G1 miler in the grabd sceme of things, whereas Geore Washington has the potential to be a very good one – the Breeders Cup Mile should confirm this either way imhaho
Well, he won that one easy enough and this prat still backed against him! I think on his day, nothing will beat him over a mile. <br>Nice one, Mickey Jo!
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Quote: from FlatSeasonLover on 6:18 pm on Sep. 23, 2006[br]Araafa?<br>
<br>Whoopee. One Guineas also-ran placed in an open Group One. Great.
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Quote: from EC on 9:11 am on Sep. 24, 2006[br]do you not like GW?<br>
<br>I think that George Washington is an excellent racehorse and said after the Guineas that he was the one horse in that field capable of going on to establish himself as a top-class miler; the ease of his win yesterday proves him to be one.
My main point about the Guineas was that it was a weak renewal, in that none of the others were top-class milers. Their subsequent exploits have ably demonstrated that that assertion was correct; Sir Percy is better over further, Araafa has improved but is still not anywhere near the highest class (the winner treated him with disdain yesterday) and the rest have done very little. You say that it would help if the others had actually run in open Group Ones: has it ever occurred to you that they weren’t actually good enough to do so?
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Quote: from EC on 9:11 am on Sep. 24, 2006[br]do you not like GW?<br>
<br>I think that George Washington is an excellent racehorse and said after the Guineas that he was the one horse in that field capable of going on to establish himself as a top-class miler; the ease of his win yesterday proves him to be one.
My main point about the Guineas was that it was a weak renewal, in that none of the others were top-class milers. Their subsequent exploits have ably demonstrated that that assertion was correct; Sir Percy is better over further, Araafa has improved but is still not anywhere near the highest class (the winner treated him with disdain yesterday) and the rest have done very little. You say that it would help if the others had actually run in open Group Ones: has it ever occurred to you that they weren’t actually good enough to do so?
Weak guineas?? Looks at all the previous guineas from the past years and what will you see….a relatively similar profile so far as to what you see so far with this one. Do you not agree?? To say that the guineas this year was a relatively poor event when compared to other guineas based on the achievements of the placed horses is just wrong so far.
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Churchill is a short run to the first turn,two turn mile.Kinane is now beyond his best,lacking in both reflex and strength,confining his options to following events rather than being proactive during a race.George won’t have a coterie to sheperd him down to the start as the field is there on merit.There will be no saloon passage on the inside.He is ridden on the rail so as to have something to guide him.Then there is the draw ,either high or low which,with the scramble into to the first bend ,will cause plenty of backwash. <br> Most telling of all never ever been,let alone won left handed.Negligent of O’brien and a compounding of past errors in the U.S.<br> Even if he does loop the field you know his going have the stick applied, and duck the issue.Its not an issue of ability but the translation of it on the day.We are all assuming the Turf is the event chosen for him whereas the Classic might allow more scope to influence events to his benefit.No crying in your beer excuses need be trotted out afterward,2nd is 2nd.<br> I’ll be waiting late,when the hysteria goes off the needle before laying George Washington in the Breeder’s Cup Mile at Churchill Downs in front of a packed 80000+ crowd.It will be first time Salix,a big trip a long way from home and close quarters in the urban confines that is Louiseville.<br> bzm.
Quote: from beauzam on 10:40 am on Sep. 24, 2006[br] Churchill is a short run to the first turn,two turn mile.Kinane is now beyond his best,lacking in both reflex and strength,confining his options to following events rather than being proactive during a race.George won’t have a coterie to sheperd him down to the start as the field is there on merit.There will be no saloon passage on the inside.He is ridden on the rail so as to have something to guide him.Then there is the draw ,either high or low which,with the scramble into to the first bend ,will cause plenty of backwash. <br> Most telling of all never ever been,let alone won left handed.Negligent of O’brien and a compounding of past errors in the U.S.<br> Even if he does loop the field you know his going have the stick applied, and duck the issue.Its not an issue of ability but the translation of it on the day.We are all assuming the Turf is the event chosen for him whereas the Classic might allow more scope to influence events to his benefit.No crying in your beer excuses need be trotted out afterward,2nd is 2nd.<br> I’ll be waiting late,when the hysteria goes off the needle before laying George Washington in the Breeder’s Cup Mile at Churchill Downs in front of a packed 80000+ crowd.It will be first time Salix,a big trip a long way from home and close quarters in the urban confines that is Louiseville.<br> bzm.
I think you make a reasonable number of valid points and you obsvously know the track better then I do. I cant really understand how going left handed is going to be a big deal….obviously there are many horses who are better one way then the other but they dont make up the majority of racehorses and a signigicant disimprovement would be required to bring him back to the European horses. The main thing is that he has gone around bends.
Also, he is getting older and he is getting far more mature and this will go on.
I dont know how good American milers are and I dont know how big the field will be or how short or long the straight is….can somebody tell me?? But I think he is much better turn of foot then Rock of Gilbraler and at the moment, he is just too good to risk laying for me.
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Araafa has improved but is still not anywhere near the highest class (the winner treated him with disdain yesterday)
What more has he got to do? :o
Without GW he would be acclaimed champion miler.. Thsi was as good a field as could have been put togther
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Don’t know about the GW comments but I do think that Admiral of the Fleet may be being under-rated.
Well NickC -iIsn’t that quite something from Mr Mordin?
NM Post- 2000 Guineas analysis<br>“My speed ratings indicate that George Washington beat a bunch of rivals here that were either unfit, slow or non-stayers. I say forget the hype. This is a slow horse that should be opposed relentlessly from now onâ€ÂÂ
Haha, glad to see that he has seen the error of his ways.
‘I say forget the hype. This is a slow horse that should be opposed relentlessly from now on.’
I’m actually going to use that quote as my opening line in an article I’m writing on why ratings should be ignored.
I’m actually going to use that quote as my opening line in an article I’m writing on why ratings should be ignored.
Oh dear….<br>
"Why ratings should be ignored"
Jack I think you made the point that sometimes people should watch the race and I wholeheartedly agreed with that point.. I think you’ll get shot down in flames pretty quickly if you try and argue that.. I’d water your premise down
Await that article with baited breath. Free career tip, I’d leave it out of your portfolio when trying to find a job in horse racing journalism though.
Haha, glad to see that he has seen the error of his ways.
‘I say forget the hype. This is a slow horse that should be opposed relentlessly from now on.’
Funnily enough, although he "got it wrong" with the horse, he should have made some money learning his lesson.
Since saying that the horse should be opposed, the horse lost twice at odds-on before winning at 13/8.
If Mordin was opposing the horse relentlessly by laying him each time (to lose a grand each time), he would have made a tidy profit.
"Haha", indeed.
Steve
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