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I am looking at a horse which is a gelding now but want to know if he was a colt or gelding last time out. Does anybody know where to look as Racing Post form just shows (I think!) that he is a gelding now.
I’ve been surprised for sometime that this important information doesn’t appear on the signposts page of the Racing Post.
As RUK pundits sometimes refer to a horse being gelded since it’s last run presume it must appear in the likes of Timeform, no good to the majority of course.
Incidentally I wouldn’t bank on what appears in the Racing Post being gospel, I’ve heard of horses being gelded for some considerable time still being listed as entires in the paper.I believe the problem with this matter is that there doesn’t appear to be an official method for communication of when colts get ‘the chop’. I would imagine the Racing Post do the best with the information they receive or gleen.
Rob
The issue of notification came up in a thread previously.
Trainers do get fined if they don’t notify Weatherbys about a gelding operation at least 5 days before the animal concerned runs. Most recently…
KAYFTON PETE / Reg Hollinshead
The Disciplinary Panel held an enquiry to consider whether or not Reg Hollinshead, a licensed trainer, had committed a breach of Rule (C)17 of the Rules of Racing, in respect of his failure to notify the Racing Calendar Office by noon 5 days before running, that KAYFTON PETE had been gelded. The failure to comply with Rule (C)17 was noted when the Veterinary Officer examined the horse at Ludlow on 25 March 2010.
Having considered the evidence, the Panel accepted an admission from Williams that he was in breach of Rule (C)17 and imposed a fine of £200 upon him, this being his second offence of the Rule within 12 months.
STARKSIE (IRE) / Evan Williams
The Disciplinary Panel held an enquiry to consider whether or not Evan Williams, a licensed trainer, had committed a breach of Rule (C)17 of the Rules of Racing, in respect of his failure to notify the Racing Calendar Office by noon 5 days before running, that STARKSIE (IRE) had been gelded. The failure to comply with Rule (C)17 was noted when the Veterinary Officer examined the horse at Ffos Las on 18 February 2010.
Having considered the evidence, the Panel accepted an admission from Williams that he was in breach of Rule (C)17 and imposed a fine of £200 upon him, this being his second offence un the Rule within 12 months.
Whether these penalties are proportionate was, as I recall, the subject of the previous thread. Personally, I wouldn’t allow the horse to run in these circumstances.
The problem with geldings from the point of view of a database is that the sex of an animal tends to be regarded as a fixed field, rather than something that has to be captured each time it runs. Hence you usually need to rely on text references (like Timeform) for information about the change of status.
There are plenty of geldings running as colts still – one I noticed last week was Winged Farasi, still registered as an entire but gelded some time ago. I suspect his trainer, Jo Foster, is simply unaware that she needs to inform the proper people. Perhaps a continuous message on the Racing Admin Site reminding trainers of this responsibility would be an idea?
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