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To clarify my previous answer slightly, I mean that the jockeys need to prepare themselves before going before the Clerk of the Scales, which should just be a quick confirmation exercise. The facilities to weigh yourself may only be available in the male changing rooms as the female facilities may be very minimal.
While female facilities remain second rate, the message that it will continue to give is that women don’t belong, as well creating the opportunity for more unsavoury issues.
Wish this hadn’t become public, at least not yet. Don’t like judging these things on what’s in the Press and/or internet, but From what’s come out so far Dunne seems guilty of at least bullying and possibly more. However, his legal team suggests the information has been severely edited. I want to keep an open mind and a fair hearing is going to be very difficult now things are in the public domain.
Value Is EverythingI’m delighted it has been made public. If not, it would have been swept under the carpet. As usual in racing. Well done Briony.
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100% agree Ginge.
Robbie Dunne is going to be another victim of trial by media before any facts are known. The fact that the “golden girl” of racing is the alleged victim too only makes matters worse for him (full clarity Frost is a great rider who comes across very well in interviews. No issues at all with her). The way people obsess over her (as evidenced by the immediate Dunne bashing demonstrated on this and other forums) gets pretty scary at times.
Yeah Peter.h, she fully deserved to be called “a f***ing slag” and “a f***ing whore”. Are these facts ‘scary’ enough? Dunne is a prick and so is anyone who defends him.
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Got an article or any sort of source for those quotes? I haven’t seen anything of that nature
and I don’t tend to settle for hearsay or tabloid embellishment. I’m not trying to be contrarian.
I think most of us agree that no one should be called like that. But, he wasn’t the first and won’t be the last to do so. Not trying to defend him, but in the heat of the argument, a lesser educated person might tend to use such language.
We also don’t know what jockeys shout to each other during a race. I’m sure it’s not something like “Oh, please… go ahead and have first run” or “you take the inside, I’ll stay on the outside”.
One can assume that jockey language isn’t the same with the one spoken in a more quiet environment. Let’s see what the evidence will tell us.
I wonder why the leak occurred. Can’t imagine there would be much money in it, so perhaps it was indeed someone getting frustrated with the slow progress.
So who are these sources you trust TTC seems like you have an issue with men in general
No-one Is defending Dunne we just want to know the full facts before we hang a man.I can’t remember the exact quote from the Times article but it stated that the leaked BHA report found that Dunne has a case to answer.
I don’t have a Times subscription, but this article summarises things https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-10101499/amp/What-jockey-Robbie-Dunne-alleged-told-rival-Bryony-Frost-bullying-row.html
Apologies for linking to a Daily Mail article
I’m not sure this Sunday Times article will be available to those without a subscription.
With respect Marlingford, while I appreciate using a Daily Mail “article” might not have been your preferred choice; I can’t accept quotes from an outlet that Wikipedia of all places has deemed an ‘unreliable source’ and has banned its use for citation.
At the end of the day this whole episode leaves no one in a better position than when they started.
Robbie Dunne looks like a bully
Bryony Frost looks like a grass
The BHA looks incompetentWho wins? The papers? Certainly not racing.
I detest the Mail Peter, and was only linking to that article as an alternative as you need a subscription to read the Times article. I think pieces written by their racing correspondent, as this was, tend to be accurate and less sensationalist though. It seems to say very much the same as the Times has reported by all accounts.
“So who are these sources you trust TTC seems like you have an issue with men in general”
I am male myself, the sources have been quoted. Unless you believe Bryony Frost is fabricating it?
Folk calling Frost “a grass” ffs. Absolutely appalling.
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The Sunday Times article has these snippets :
Watts’s report, which The Sunday Times has seen, runs to more than 120 pages and examines forensically the relationship between Frost and Dunne, while also considering the overall culture of the weighing room. It notes that “the evidential burden on the BHA is to prove on the balance of probabilities that the conduct in question occurred as alleged and amounted to bullying and harassment. The BHA believes that it did.”
The report was submitted in April and is accompanied by a letter, which informs Dunne, now aged 42, that it contains formal charges against him, including “conduct prejudicial to the integrity or good reputation” of the sport. It makes clear that an oral hearing will consider whether he is in breach.
It also contains a paragraph of the BHA conclusion (which i can’t cut and paste
) which basically says this sort of threat doesn’t seem an unusual occurrence in the weighing room and goes unchecked and it is the reporting of the behaviour that is deemed unacceptable by members of the weighing room rather than the threats themselves. The BHA submits that threatening behaviour of any type is not acceptable in racing. Quite right too, and i hope they make concerted efforts to change this culture.
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