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Don’t fall into the trap of confusing animal welfare with animal rights, the two are in essense completely different arguments. It only confuses things if you try to use a welfare point against a rights argument, or vice versa.
Animal welfare activists (RSPCA etc) do not want to see racing banned, but want it to be as safe as possible.
Animal rights activists believe that racing (indeed, any use of animals by humans) is wrong, and want it banned. They highlight deaths at the National and so on in order to advance this argument. They are not saying: stop the deaths and we’ll let you carry on.
perfectly put!! certainly in my experience, animal rights extremists are often, to put it mildly, completely misguided in their propaganda and actions.
I also think that quite a lot of the so called animal rights activists could not care less about animals and won’t know the difference between a camel and a zebra. They only join up in order to cause aggravation and create trouble – similar to the guys who pretend to support england’s football team but only do so in order to go along and start fights.
In my opinion a substantial minority of animal rights activists/extremists/terrorists are drawn to the ’cause’ not through any particular love of animals but, rather, it provides a platform for unhappy maladjusted inadequates to vent the deep hate they have of their fellow man and towards the society with which they can’t cope.
Infact ‘hate of’ rather than ‘belief in’ something drives extremism in general.
(Edited by Drone at 5:13 pm on Mar. 22, 2007)
Quote: from Drone on 5:11 pm on Mar. 22, 2007[br]In my opinion a substantial minority of animal rights activists/extremists/terrorists are drawn to the ’cause’ not through any particular love of animals but, rather, it provides a platform for unhappy maladjusted inadequates to vent the deep hate they have of their fellow man and towards the society with which they can’t cope.
Infact ‘hate of’ rather than ‘belief in’ something drives extremism in general.
(Edited by Drone at 5:13 pm on Mar. 22, 2007)<br>
Jeez that’s probably taking a little far Drone!
FSL – I think you maybe surprised, within all of these type of groups (which I believe have a legitimated right to form and campaign) the sense of self importance can’t be underestimated.
Mr Frisk summed it up – animal welfare and animal rights are two very different aims and the latter is a very powerful position – I personal read Peter Singers’ book and found it very difficult to oppose his argument.
So, make no mistake there is a logic and a moral position behind animal rights.<br>
Certainly agree with you there SL – to take anything they say seriously is to enter cloud cuckoo land and it would be wrong to suggest that all those at Animal Aid are into "animal rights", most are to a certain extent though I know for a fact that one or two deaths to those at AA is ok (indeed encouraged) if it’s all for the "greater good".<br>
Yep, Animal Aid would be disappointed if a horse didn’t die in the Grand National, as then they would have nothing to harp on about.
Quote: from purr on 7:58 pm on Mar. 24, 2007[br]Yep, Animal Aid would be disappointed if a horse didn’t die in the Grand National, as then they would have nothing to harp on about.
Horses dying on the racecourse is a welfare issue and while Animal Aid and others would use it as propaganda. However, with or without a death at Liverpool their position remains unchanged and no less powerful given a conducive political climate.
Admittedly, the idea of an ‘Animal Rights Act’ or the more likely option of the Human Rights Act being extended to a ‘Sentient Beings Act’ seems far-fetched, some (myself included) may argue ridiculous, but this is their aim.
So, even without a death, there’s still plenty for them to harp on about. <br>
Wonder if anybody else read about the polar bear cub ( called Knut ) in a Berlin Zoo who was abandoned by his mother and is now being hand reared . The animal rights activists wanted him killed by a lethal injection rather than be hand reared by humans – apparently they think that if the cub is hand reared then it is an abuse of his animal rights…..yes, this is what they are saying. I am not making this up.
Glad to say that the Zoo ignored the views of the animal activists who should be called knuts imo.
Quote: from SwallowCottage on 10:54 am on Mar. 13, 2007[br]These people are not fools and will do their best to make horse racing illegal. As long as they protest peacefully and in a civilised manner then I don’t object to them. Everybody is entitled to their opinion.<br>I can understand why some people think horse racing is cruel even if I don’t agree with them. A person can see a horse getting injured or killed on the racecourse and their gut reaction is to consider it a cruel sport without understanding the pleasure and joy that most racehorses experience in their lives.  ÂÂÂ
<br>What about the very high percentage of racehorses suffering from EGU’s and EIPH as reported by the Animal Health trust?
Quote: from Aragorn on 10:51 am on Mar. 13, 2007[br]After someone told me that a bunch of animal rights protesters dug up some scientists mothers grave I lost all respect and it just confirmed my fears that they’re all zealous nutjobs..
Race horses, apart from the occasional death on the racecourse, lead a bl**dy good life.. Personally I think its all a load of sh!t, just like animal testing. Have these people not got jobs and something better to do?!?!<br>
I wouldn’t call 300 plus a year occasional and this Bl–dy good life includes up to 90% of horses in training suffering from EIPH and EGU’s as a result of the way they are "managed".I am not an activist or a member of AA but i am concerned with the total lack of acceptance of welfare issues surrounding racehorses,on and off the track.The percentages are supplied by The Animal Health Trust,not some crackpot organisation.
pogle – I can’t find any reference to the EGU’s and EIPH that you refer to on the website of the Animal Health Trust. Please provide a link to it.
Quote: from SwallowCottage on 4:52 pm on Mar. 27, 2007[br]pogle – I can’t find any reference to the EGU’s and EIPH that you refer to on the website of the Animal Health Trust. Please provide a link to it.
I am trying to and i am saving them in my favourites and dragging them across but it is not working on here.is there a better way for me to copy them to you?If not go into animal health trust and click on "animal clinics" and then equine disease and disorders for EIPH.Search EGU’s on general search and you will find many sites of scientific research worldwide showing the same results.
Well, I’ve read it and I can’t see that it is doing any long term damage. It’s significant to note that a recent Horserace Betting Levy Board Grant to the Animal Health Trust funded a two-year study to investigate the effects of changes in airway resistance on the occurrence of EIPH. <br>It doesn’t change my view that the majority of racehorses experience an enjoyable life.
Quote: from SwallowCottage on 6:11 pm on Mar. 27, 2007[br]Well, I’ve read it and I can’t see that it is doing any long term damage. It’s significant to note that a recent Horserace Betting Levy Board Grant to the Animal Health Trust funded a two-year study to investigate the effects of changes in airway resistance on the occurrence of EIPH. <br>It doesn’t change my view that the majority of racehorses experience an enjoyable life.
I didn’t think it would, even though it is a welfare issue that is measured by how much blood comes out of their lungs.From a teaspoonful up to a bucketful as one researcher put it on another site.The gastric ulcers is another issue that is caused by a combination of bad feeding practices ie not allowing natural trickle feeding,confined to a stable for many hours with no interaction in a stressful environment followed by strenuous excercise.Again I appreciate that it is not long term because if they are allowed to be horses and fed correctly and naturally the ulcers go.But the only reason I am mentioning these things is that i wouldn;t want people to get the impression that racehorses have this great life when in fact there are welfare issues that need to be addressed in my opinion.We are not talking about a couple of horses here we are talking about up to 90 out of every 100.
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