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- April 14, 2011 at 10:50 #18205
Whilst not Fallons greatest fan, I do think that this is on the harsh side.
Basically he has eased down his mount in second place near the line and been caught at the post by a horse flying down the outside that he couldn’t see.
It may be an error but does the punishment really fit the crime in this instance ?
Granted there are losers because of the error namely the connections have lost prizemoney, and also possibly forecast backers, and he should be punished – but 10 days and missing 2 classicsApril 14, 2011 at 11:23 #350241
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He’s a repeat offender Coggy. His actions imposed a collective financial penalty on connections and the public. Got what he deserved. Some would say he should have received another 28 days.
April 14, 2011 at 11:32 #350242He obviously made a mistake and has been punished, whether the severity of the punishment is fair I’m not so sure – especially when you watch Amy Ryan’s ride in the first at Catterick yesterday. She did something very similar to Fallon and as far as I know she’s not been punished at all.
April 14, 2011 at 12:46 #350250
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Daft, I’d call it.
The punishment is supposedly for not riding the horse out, yet the penalty is only applied where it affects the result.
If it’s wrong not to ride the horse out to the finish (in my view, it is, in every instance), then the penalty should be applied pro-rata to the distance perjured, rather than the placing.
As it stands, KF got 10 days for a very minor discrepancy, whereas if he’d dropped his hands when 10l clear and just held on, no action would have been taken.
That ain’t a rule, it’s a lottery!April 14, 2011 at 13:09 #350253
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Once upon a time many years ago, I used to live in a house in North London as a student.
On the ground floor was a blonde bombshell.
One day while I cleaned my room I placed some items on the window sill for a moment, but I made a careless move and they fell down on the court.
So I go downstairs, the blonde opens the door, I explain what happened and she says "ok come in". With her was a short guy and they tell me "oh you from Greece, how nice" and then the short guy says "me jockey, horses" and they were very nice and friendly. So after saying thanks, I collect my things from the floor and depart.Some days later in the middle of the night I hear wild screams and it was the short guy being assaulted by the blondie’s friends.
The short guy moaned with constantly decreasing intensity.
I open my door and there were three Irish men the size of a medium sized centurion tank each.
One of them turns and says to me "you listen here, there are no witnesses".But the next day I go to the police and say "so and so happened".
The day after, the house was surrounded by cops shouting "come out", but the entire company blonde + heavies had vanished for ever. The jockey -dead or alive- was never seen again either,April 14, 2011 at 13:19 #350255A fair cop, just how difficult is it to ride out to the line?
April 14, 2011 at 17:08 #350275What is the difference in prize money between second and third?If the horse has given his all and was beaten and there is no danger that the jockey can see should he keep beating the horse?Call him in and find out the score. In NH they don’t expect you to beat the horse when he is literally beaten and has lost the race.Just the correct use of the whip(no excessive use) and then keep at it to the line even when beaten. How would that work in the recent National?When do you stop the beating or whipping and just let a tired horse finish after giving his all?
April 14, 2011 at 17:15 #350276its great he misses the Guineas….if he did indeed break the rules its good the big riders who "cheat" miss the big days.
April 15, 2011 at 02:44 #350339Fallon will always be remembered as ‘the guy on Ballinger Ridge’, as well as for his many other indiscretions, and as such any offence will have the word ‘repeat’ in front of it.
He is the Rooney of the racing world, talented yet so flawed. There just is no excuse for not riding to the line. He, more than most, should know that.April 15, 2011 at 08:36 #350357Fallon exudes dodgyness, I am surprised that he has apologists.
April 15, 2011 at 08:41 #350358
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Fallon will always be remembered as ‘the guy on Ballinger Ridge’, as well as for his many other indiscretions,
No he won’t. He’ll be remembered as the supreme horseman on Oath, Russian Rhythm, Dylan Thomas and Hurricane Run – amongst scores of his Group 1 successes. It takes a lot of notoriety to overshadow such turf triumphs, and Mr Fallon doesn’t even get near that mark.
April 15, 2011 at 09:41 #350363Personally, I shall always remember him for pulling Stuart Webster off his mount at Southwell all those years ago!
Enigmatic character, flawed at times, but I agree with you there, a superb horseman who deserves another chance, not this current witch hunt.
Do..h, it was not at Southwell, it was Beverley!I've stumbled on the side of twelve misty mountains
I've walked and I crawled on six crooked highwaysApril 15, 2011 at 10:54 #350368How is this a witch hunt? He transgressed the rules, however unfortunate it may appear. Perhaps the severity of punishment is wrong, but to just sweep it under the carpet because he is a big name would be equally inappropriate.
April 15, 2011 at 11:53 #350375
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How is this a witch hunt?
Because some posters are using this perfectly justified ban for another round of cheap knife-sticking.
April 15, 2011 at 12:55 #350381Fallon will always be remembered as ‘the guy on Ballinger Ridge’, as well as for his many other indiscretions,
No he won’t. He’ll be remembered as the supreme horseman on Oath, Russian Rhythm, Dylan Thomas and Hurricane Run – amongst scores of his Group 1 successes. It takes a lot of notoriety to overshadow such turf triumphs, and Mr Fallon doesn’t even get near that mark.
So people will remember him winning on Oath but conveniently forget his 18 month ban for drug abuse? Will they forget about why he was sacked as Henry Cecil’s stable jockey? Will they forget about ‘Panorama’? You have too much faith in people Pinza.
When people think of Lester Piggott, do they remember Never Say Die, Royal Academy or tax evasion?April 15, 2011 at 14:17 #350386I have watched Frankie many many times easing up when out of the first three positions. Not close to the winning post but maybe a furlong out. Does it make a difference where you ease up? Kieren is usually working all the way to the finish unlike Frankie.He has gotten more horses placed than he lost.He is not known for giving up.This is a travesty and deserves to be overturned.Incidentally his reputation was stained by a trial where he was not even a suspect according to the prosecution.Still they,his "non" accusers refused to let him ride during that period when he was not the suspect. How was that for justice? It is easy to darken a person’name but impossible to undo the wrong.Apparently some of our contributors seem to have forgotten the outcome of the trial and are still crying "Guilty"
April 15, 2011 at 15:26 #350392
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ou have too much faith in people Pinza.When people think of Lester Piggott, do they remember Never Say Die, Royal Academy or tax evasion?
You say the nicest things, RD.
With Piggott, they remember all of these things. The difference is, that he was
jailed
for crime, remember? Albeit one which got him cheered into the paddock by the crowds when he made that spectacular return to action.
As far as I am aware Mr Fallon has not been convicted of any criminal offence, nor served time at Her Majesty’s Pleasure (unless that’s code for a certain trainer’s wife.)
Your analogy is as leaky as a gossamer sieve.
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