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    Avatar photoCork All Star
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    Taken 6/1 against Economics. He needs to be supplemented but there is every chance he will be, given that connections have ruled out Epsom and The Curragh.

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    Same here ew

    #1697186
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    City of Troy still available at 5/2 with skybet, I still see a bit of value in that as he goes odds on once they confirm him in

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    City Of Troy v Economics. Yes please :o)

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    Why does everyone think he’s going to the Eclipse not the Irish Derby? Aidan doesn’t tend to send his Epsom Derby horse here, certainly not his Epsom Derby winners anyway. Obviously he could change his tune but until recently with his two winners (Paddington and St Marks Basilica) I didn’t think he particularly targeted the Eclipse seriously, he’s had a few years without any representation. I know people will tell me he’s got Los Angeles for the Irish Derby but he’s not in City Of Troy’s league and I’d expect James Fanshawe’s horse to confirm the Epsom form if they met again at the Curragh.

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    “Why does everyone think he’s going to the Eclipse not the Irish Derby?”

    Possibly in order to get a Group One win over a mile and a quarter on turf, before he goes to America to race on dirt? 🤷‍♂️

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    That’s my take on it Glad..
    Reckon he thinks he’s not your typical Derby winner and just as good if not better at 10f than Paddington and SMB
    The market although just a guide at this stage points in favour of this race he’s gone from odds on to 9/4 in the Irish Derby and since winning the Derby has gone from about 16’s to 2’s to this
    Funnily enough alot of the review shows etc after the Derby barely mention the Eclipse as an option
    Doesn’t mean much in terms of where he goes next but Aidan’s interview on the day Tunbridge Wells won he said the lads will chose between the two but made more reference about speed

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    Thetinman,

    Irish Derby looks ideal to me. I don’t really understand this attraction of winning races on dirt. The best american dirt horses are not remotely interested in winning on the turf. I can’t see what’s wrong with ultimately targeting the Arc.

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    “I’d expect James Fanshawe’s horse to confirm the Epsom form if they met again at the Curragh”.
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    TTM,
    Ambiente Friendly is not entered in the Irish Derby, although could be supplemented. However, if he is likely to be supplemented then I’d expect the bookies to have him in the betting with the “needs supplementing” tag. But he isn’t in their betting either… And AF is entered in the King Ed, so suspect he’ll go there or the Grand Prix De Paris (France’s mile and a half 3yo colts race).

    …And the others that are fairly short in the betting for the Irish Derby are:
    Arabian Crown – who’s been injured since the Sandown Classic Trial.
    Ancient wisdom – who needs soft ground and ran poorly at Epsom.
    Matsuri – was impressive in a minor event but would be taking a massive step up in class.
    Other than those, the next 6 in the betting are all trained by Aiden O’Brien.

    Los Angeles is now around 5/4.
    So with the other 6, AOB is long odds-on to win the Irish Derby without the need to run City Of Troy.

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    Trainer of AF reported to have said he wants to avoid COT as much as possible.

    #1697360
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    No mention of this race from Mrs Haggas for Economics
    Saying about giving the horse a chance and possible group 2

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    #1697367
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    Looks like Passenger potentially will be heading to Sandown now as he has been ruled out of Royal Ascot due to being treated for an infection.

    COT will need to check the 10F G1 box before they look to the US dirt races – not sure I understand the rationale that just because he has an US sire that he himself will act on dirt as they always say the dam side is the strongest influencer.

    I am kind of hoping Inspiral turns up for the race as well as that would really make it interesting.

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    Fanshawe said on ITV Racing that Ambiente Friendly’s next race is likely to be either the Eclipse or Irish Derby. No mention of the King Ed’ presumably because it comes too soon. I’d imagine they will want to (A) Avoid City Of Troy. And (B) avoid going on the soft side of good.

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    #1697466
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    COT odds on in places
    Has he been confirmed or has the rest of the field collapsed

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    #1697467
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    Racing Post have confirmed he’s erm…confirmed.

    #1697469
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    Cheers Chivers..👍

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    #1697470
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    City Of Troy confirmed.

    It may be a relatively weak Eclipse, but I would have gone Irish Derby, and shelved any dirt ideas. I don’t understand the fascination. Yes, it may create a wider stallion interest, but they won’t be selling him, and they will retain the best of his progeny to race on grass in Europe. Very few sires are dual purpose. You look at the sires of US horses and could easily be asking who is that because they have little or no presence in Europe.

    At this stage City Of Troy still has much to prove. He was an emphatic winner of the Derby, but it could be he beat a bunch of Group 3 horses. The sport’s cheerleaders needed a horse to latch onto and he fits that bill…again. I think if he wants to enhance his profile as much as possible he can best do that by remaining unbeaten for the rest of the season, culminating in an Arc win, a race that O’Brien hasn’t managed to dominate.

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