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  • #12522
    Kotkijet
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    … If so, how well are they encouraged and enforced?

    This is, in my opinion, a serious subject which the industry needs to reflect on. Especially when one refers to that ‘racingforchange’ doodie-effort which recently appeared in the RP.

    Within this ‘campaign’ many subjects were given coverage including (but not limited to) jargon, corporate jargon, simplistic jargon, esoteric jargon, fragmented jargon, premier flat fixtures which are already firmly established, a jumps championshit to gain entry to Chelters (why fix something that is isn’t broken?) and erm… more jargon. This drive is sure to bring in new punters no?

    Perhaps we should be looking at the issues that put people off the sport in the first place because ‘prospective punters’ don’t give a shít about the aforementioned to begin with.

    The issues I’m alluding to cover a broad spectrum. So let’s start with the basics such as animal maintainance from birth to death, the whip (what kind of child wants to see a pretty horse get hit with a stick?), the way the lower level staff are treated and the blatant classism that can ruin a good day out.

    I understand there are bodies striving for these considerations but save for DA, the rehab programmes and the IJF, these bodies are jokes. Especially AA (seriousley out of touch with humanity) and the RSPCA (if ever there was an enabler…)

    My motives for this thread, if not already clear, will soon become apparent. For now, I’ll leave you all to it.

    Cheers.

    #246488
    Gerald
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    As an aside, I’d mention that the BHA individual responsible for Horse Welfare has become redundant after 22 years, and Welfare is now split between four departments. This is all part of all depts cutting expenditure by 10%.

    As regards horse ownership, I believe that people shouldn’t own racehorses, unless they are able to look after them after their retirement.

    As regards the whip, I was brought up on Lester Piggott as a child, and I just regarded it as natural. However, I find it very unsavoury in NH racing.

    #246492
    kiwibloodstock
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    IJF a joke? I dont think so buddy! When I broke my neck they helped with costs, they paid for my Physio and rehab, they paid my bills, they offered support, and when I was well again they paid a huge amount of my fees when re-training. They support not just licensed and ex jockeys, but many stable lads too. They purchased a house and wheelchair for an ex conditional, purchased many electric wheelchairs for jockeys with spinal injuries, they help so many people financially and really deserve more respect.
    I dont believe that owners, trainers and studs do enough for ex racehorses, the thoroughbred rehab and the Moorcroft do a great job. I see there are a few dealers that latched onto this concept and see it as a way of selling people cheap ex-racehorses and making a profit. The BHB set up their own I believe while I was away in NZ, I havent had as much to do with it as I have with the other charities, but from what I can gather, it was supposedly set up so they didnt have to give as much funding to the other charities. For the record, Carrie Humble at the TRC does a class job clearing up the mess that the industry creates.

    #246494
    Kotkijet
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    I said ‘save for’ the ijf. IJF are one of the very few bodies I have respect for. Tbf, they’re incredible.

    I’m sorry you misunderstood me.

    #246497
    kiwibloodstock
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    Thats cool, After re-reading your thread it makes sense. lol theres me putting 2+2 together and coming up with 5

    #246498
    dave jay
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    No .. horse racing does not have any responsibilities what so ever.

    Like the gun lobby in the US it’s the person that pulls the tigger that does the killing not the gun .. if horses are made into glue, or vulnerable people are driven to suicide then it’s nothing to do with racing .. I just think of Tommos teeth and ‘heeere cums the favourite’ and everything is right and good with the world.

    Responsibility .. that’s someone elses job.

    #246504
    Kotkijet
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    Kiwi, don’t worry about it mate. An epic dissertation based on the amount of times I’ve put my foot in it could be written with ease. I was just happy to hear another account of how good the ijf are to and for the industry.

    dj… See no evil, blahblahblah no evil? This is obviously a problem is it not? As I mentioned last week, horse racing can be an amazing sport but it could also use a good shot of vitamin moral.

    For the record, I don’t care that much for the gambling aspect of the sport. That is strictly in the hands of the individual who chooses to do himself in. The industry has clean hands on that front as far as I’m concerned. (Though the levy… Betfair…)

    #246510
    Kotkijet
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    Oh, and Gerald, that wasn’t an aside. That was a very pertinent post which this thread is very much after.

    Cheers :)

    #246511
    dave jay
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    Simon, horse racing is an amazing sport and a fantastic spectacle, unfortunately the people that run it see themselves more like Las Vegas casino mobsters than racing enthusiasts and that’s the rub.

    No one wants responsibility these days .. but they want everyone else to be accountable, Franz Kafka would piss himself .. !!

    #246515
    Kotkijet
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    Of course there are those who run the sport. But surely the ‘whiter than whites’ such as…

    I was going to continue that post but then it emerged that I could be funking with dangerous people. I sincerley hope the sport isn’t like that.

    #246519
    Tom
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    "As regards the whip, I was brought up on Lester Piggott as a child, and I just regarded it as natural. However, I find it very unsavoury in NH racing."

    What other animal is it ok to whip within public view.

    The racing industry cannot be exempt from certain standards in our society.

    #246520
    dave jay
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    .. you could be funking with the wrong folk, have your say old chap this is the place .. I’m sure that when Cormack’s head is in a vice he won’t tell them your email address, he’s brave like that.

    8)

    #246521
    Gerald
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    I speaking from when I was a child. When the whip is being flourished in a driving finish and the horse is going forwards and not sideways and there is so much movement of the horse’s head and legs, and of the jockey’s legs and arms and arse and reins, and one is interested in watching the finish and in who wins, one doesn’t notice that the whip has been used twelve times in quick succession, until it is pointed out.

    #246522
    Kotkijet
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    Not if Paul Nicholls is playing the part of Nicky Santoro. If that happens, you can consider my arrse (I spent some time in Bristle) Indonesian.

    #246523
    Gerald
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    The racing industry cannot be exempt from certain standards in our society.

    Other sports are. You can have a mass brawl in a football or rugby match, and the police don’t rush onto the field to arrest people.

    #246524
    cormack15
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    I believe jockeys should NOT carry whips. I see no reason for it and don’t buy all the horsemanship arguments.

    Each race would still have a winner. The winner will be the horse that’s run fastest.

    #246526
    Anonymous
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    Would Deano’s Beeno or Lough Derg ever have won without the whip, Corm?

    Every race would indeed have a winner, but it wouldn’t necessarily be the right one (everything else being equal).

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