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    Anonymous
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    I had no financial interest, but I do feel that Languid had a point regarding My Way De Solzen intimidating Golden Cross on the run-in for the World hurdle.<br> To my eyes GC was definitely making ground on the winner; lost ground when MYDS came across the course; and again made up ground afterwards, to lose by a head.<br> There was never going to be an stewards enquiry; there rarely is these days, and Jim McGrath was always going to support the official line, but I feel he and Ted Walsh were wrong in this case, as from the side view it cost the unfortunate 2nd about a length, and the race, imo.<br> Any views?<br>

    #69571
    Alchemist
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    My initial reaction was that mwds came across a little too much and possibly checked the GC run a bit, but looking at the head on, whilst he did wander there didnt appear to be any real interferance, and the race would not have been turned over. little surprised the stewards didnt have a little look though!

    #69572
    Anonymous
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    I backed My Way and had my heart in my mouth as they cam close together on the run-in. There was definitely a loss of momenmtum for the runner-up but, having said that, the winner kept pulling out a bit more.

    Holt was right: the stewards should have called an enquiry. Yet I’m a little surprised that Murtagh didn’t object.

    #69575
    warrej
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    I thought it cost Golden Cross the race.  He definitely lost momentum, and then came right back at the winner when he quickened up again.  Surprised there was not an enquiry although even if there was, the result would have stood

    #69576
    bear
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    Intimidation or veering into the path of the closer is an often used tactic nowadays due to the laws as they stand. Horses are very rarely relegated and the jockeys see this as a legitimate tactic.

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    davidbrady
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    I was as surprised that they didn’t call a stewards enquiry as I would have been if they had have reversed the placings, if you know what I mean!

    #69579
    clivex
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    David…I do!

    Thats about right.

    #69581
    wilsonlwilsonl
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    I’d backed Golden Cross and thought there could have been a steward’s but in all honesty (and this isn’t having a go at Johnny who rode a great race), a more experienced NH jockey may have been stronger in keeping the horse together.

    A worthy winner though.

    Lee

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    FlatSeasonLoverFlatSeasonLover
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    A flat bred horse wth a flat based jockey touches down on the flat with a jumps based horse and a jumps based jockey. Who should have won? They were both wandering about in fairness though.<br>

    #69585
    wilsonlwilsonl
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    Not sure where your going with that FSL.

    Yes you’d expect the flat bred to show a better turn of foot but to expect a traditional flat jockey to have more strength in the finish than a N.H jockey ????

    Lee

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    schumi
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    2nd that wilson i thought murtagh let himself be bullied and no disrespect meant to him i think he’s a serious jockey on the flat and more talented than a lot over timber than a lot of others which he showed over the last few months, a great horse man

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    cormack15cormack15
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    Spot on GH

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    Anonymous
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    Quote: from bear on 6:05 pm on Mar. 16, 2006[br]Intimidation or veering into the path of the closer is an often used tactic nowadays due to the laws as they stand. Horses are very rarely relegated and the jockeys see this as a legitimate tactic.<br>

    Bear,<br> Looking at the head on, Choc Thornton did seem to give the reins a pull to the right before the incident. Was loathe to suggest it, but it did look a deliberate ploy. It also clearly showed, as SH pointed out, that Johnny M. had stop using his whip for a couple of strides?

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    I thought even though the other horse crossed the line first that I still stood a decent chance of collecting on GC. I was surprised there was no enquiry.

    #69590
    cormack15cormack15
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    I’d be more concerned with some of the ‘squeezing’ that is occuring approaching the second and third last fences myself. If you replay the Fondmort race you’ll spot that he was lucky not be forced through the wing on the approach to the third last (commentator called that he had put in a long one). More races won/lost due to semi-legit ‘tactical manoeuvering’ at that point and stuff being got away with which would be villified if it occured during the run in.

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