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“It’s no disgrace for Richard at all.”
To paraphrase Damon Runyon, it’ll do until a disgrace comes along.
How did “unbeatable at Ascot” Frankie Dettori get on in this race last year on top of the cracking rides he gave Saga and Stradivarius?
If Desert Crown is hooded for stalls entry, try to remember to take it off this year, Frankie!
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"What price loyalty? And to quote Bruce Raymond on Dettori “You shouldn’t question him at Goodwood or York or wherever, but around Ascot he’s not going to make any mistakes” You’re a naughty boy Ian to question him!
…and again to quote Bruce Raymond “In theory, the horse is Ryan’s ride, but he never gets the chance to ride it” so that was why ryan decided to choose the 16-1 outsider to ride at Sandown then Bruce?
Unsurprising. As Jason Weaver pointed out the ride at Sandown was a safety first ride that asked the horse to quicken 3 times. It’s not what you want if you want to win big races.
When Brown Panther finished a respectable 8th in the Melbourne Cup it to suffered a safety first ride that didn’t maximise the chances of the horse winning.I think its more a reflection on Kingscote than Dettori being amazing at Ascot. He’s a good jockey but I’m not sure he’s a tier 1 jockey if there is such a thing. No disgrace in these things, didn’t work out for Jamie Spencer when he got the Ballydoyle gig. Lots of these grade 1s are smaller field tactical affairs with the best horses in separated by not much on ability and the jockeys really do make a huge difference in those scenarios.
Whatever way you dress it up, it is clearly a slight on Kingscote’s ability as according to connections he is third choice behind Ryan and now Frankie, funny how they didn’t question his riding ability when he gave him an brilliant ride at Epsom – Sandown was nothing more than the horse being given every chance to win the race but not being good enough on the evening.
I wish these reps would be honest – for Bruce Raymond to peddle out these comments:
“I spoke to Saeed this morning and he said that if Frankie wouldn’t be available in the future, which he doubts he will be, then it’s Richard’s ride. He said he’d look after Richard, but it’s a one-off and, who knows, but the horse could stay in training next year and have another go at it, and Frankie won’t be around then.”
“The horse is a piece of cake to ride and I think Frankie can put him anywhere in a race and, when Frankie’s on, you shouldn’t question him. You shouldn’t question him at Goodwood or York or wherever, but around Ascot he’s not going to make any mistakes.
Yes it is the owners perogative to have who he wants to ride his horses but the bs about Frankie and Ascot (where he has had a number of shocking rides in which he clearly made mistakes) is a nonsense – there is a part of me that hopes the horse gets stuffed now, I wonder if Bay Bridge will still run (heard he was likely to go to the Eclipse and bypass Ascot?) as it would be beautiful karma if he did and won with Kingscote on board.
As I said, no problem with owner wanting a different jockey but put your big boy pants on and be honest about the reason you are doing it and not give these ‘reasons’ that don’t ring true when you really unpick them.
No problem with this at all. Jockeys get jocked off all the time. Kingscote is not the first and certainly will not be the last. As others have said, the owner pays the bills and if he wants a different jockey on board, that is his right.
I agree with Tin Man. Kingscote is a decent enough jockey but he is not top drawer. I am not convinced the horse got the best ride at Sandown. Kingscote was also (by his own admission) poor on Passenger in the Dante and has given a few other horses indifferent rides recently.
I suspect the owner, Brucs Raymond and Michael Stoute have not missed these rides. With a 10 furlong Group 1 at stake, why wouldn’t they want to maximise their chances?
Who is the better jockey? Dettori or Kingscote?
That’s fine CAS and I have no problem with that. It’s just as LD said, I wish they wouldn’t come out with the stupid comments/quotes and treat all of us racing fans as children.
Fair enough Worzel, I agree entirely. Maybe the situation could have been handled better but as I say, I have no problem with the decision.
I sympathise with Kingscote to an extent. He is really only Stoute’s jockey when Moore is not available.
Horse will be worth more at stud with Frankie’s name next to it…
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I agree with WWL and LD on this.
A jockey losing the ride on a horse is nothing new and I rarely comment on it, but some pretty ludicrous quotes in there in my book, worthy of a bit of sarcastic derision.
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"“Whatever way you dress it up, it is clearly a slight on Kingscote’s ability as according to connections he is third choice behind Ryan and now Frankie.”
Wouldn’t he be everyone’s third choice behind those two?
“Funny how they didn’t question his riding ability when he gave him an brilliant ride at Epsom”.
It was not a “brilliant” ride. It was a good ride. He was on the best horse on the day by some distance. Any competent jockey with a licence would have won on him.
If you were being hyper critical, you could say he committed about half a furlong too soon and was paddling a bit towards the end, making him vulnerable to a strong finisher. Some people (not me) have suggested Westover might have won with a clearer run.
The ride on Desert Crown at Epsom was the ultimate safety first ride you’d expect from a jockey who probably realised if he got it wrong he’d never get a ride of that magnititude (fav in a big Group 1) again.
Never too far away, saw plenty of daylight, kicked for home plenty early enough.
A confident top-flight jockey with previous Derby wins under his belt might have sought cover, not looked to produce the colt to lead until entering the final furlong and possibly would have won further – and even more easily – as a result.
As stated, I’ve no issue with the decision, just the intelligence-insulting nonsense about it being no reflection on the jockey because the replacement is such a force at Ascot (not last year, he wasn’t).
Of course it is.
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"Fair comment about the Derby ride, ID. Kingscote clearly knew it was his big chance.
No matter what happens from now on, no one can take that Derby win off his CV.
It is clearly a vote of no confidence in Richard Kingscote, however they try to spin it. Raymond clearly embarrassed to have to explain the situation on the Nick Luck podcast this morning.
Utter nonsense. Raymond said frankie doesn’t make mistakes at ascot. Bloody short memory as he was lambasted by his boss for poor rides more than once last season there was he not. Hope loses by the shortest of heads to Ryan having been blocked in.
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