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Ive watched the race over and over, and some of detroits previous races, and i cant believe it was his true runing. <br>He may be lazy, but he has always travelled forward strongly through his races, in the CH he wasnt going a yard, and in my mind should have been pulled up coming down the hill. Did people not see his last jump? he was on his knees.<br>YES, he looked like he had no pace in the CH, but he didnt shape like a stayer either. imo<br>I think people want him to be a flop, rather than him being a flop, if that makes sence!!!<br>He was a total flop in the CH, dont get me wrong, but it was too bad to be true, and jockey also said he was exhausted going to the last and wasnt right, and the trainer said he clearly didnt run his race. Neither hinting he needed further.<br>I has also been well documented that he has a weak back, and that he goes swimming in the sea to strengthen his muscles, maybe he was feeling something because his jumping was very poor. <br>Maybe im trying to find excuses!!!! but i honestly think he did not run to form.
Logic dictates that a horse that is given a RP rating of 166, 164, 159 and then 151 (overrated CH imo)
has NOT run to form
<br>On my own ratings, DC run a stone below his "best" performance
And i’ll leave with this Food for thought:
doesn’t anyone find it interesting, that DC should give his worst performance, when he would probably have had the largest liability riding on him
It could be that there was something wrong with DC as some of Hobbs horses are still running below par for no apparent reason. I didn’t watch the race live but read the comments on teletext and the forum that there must have been something wrong. Then when I watched the video of the race, it was nowhere near as bad as I anticipated and he did seem to be outpaced on good ground against decent horses. A bad jump at the 2nd made things worse.<br>In DC’s previous races this season, he’d given weight to some moderate hcappers when winning the greatwood, won a 4 runner slowly run race in soft ground at Cheltenham and then won another race in soft ground at Sandown when he beat Straw Bear by about 2l. My opinion is that S/Bear is not champion hurdle class.
I suspect that reet hard’s summary of DC is correct especially in respect of the ground – time will tell.
Clearly not the horse’s running. It was apparent early on teat something was amiss, either physically or mentally or both and, once Hobbs has him firing again he may be a more backable price next time.
I also think Sublimity has been under-rated and the 7/1 for next years Champion should be snapped up. He beat that reliable yardstick Brave Inca authoritatively.
Quote: from empty wallet on 3:29 am on Mar. 18, 2007[br]<br>His posts are more entertaining than Tom Segal’s picks<br>
Sorry but NOTHING is more entertaining than that – you’d think he would apologise to all the leemings who follow him in wouldn’t you?
Good to see you back EW, hope it isn’t a flying visit.
Time will tell, but i suspect that the 2007 CH will turn into another Sussex Stakes race, in that, the leaders went a stride or to quick early on , kicked for home early and were spent forces in the end, with the fav not running anywhere near previous form
This benefited horses held up out the back like Sublimity and Afsoun, just like it did Court masterpiece in the Sussex Stakes
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Like you, I can only base opinions on what I saw, and what I know of the horse.<br>The trainer and jockey have their own opinions – R Johnson’s "He was beaten going into the first" is palpably wrong, as can be clearly seen from the video, and is probably a gut reaction to what must have been the disappointment of the season to him.<br>P Hobbs admits he can find no explanation, even some 4 days after the event, and all the subsequent veterinary tests.<br>Having said all that, there are clear indications, both in the form book and in how he ran that day, that the horse struggles to keep up with a top class racing pace on better ground over 2 miles, (Much like – dare I say it – Beef Or Salmon does over 3m). <br>It is also plain to see that the speed of the race had a deleterious affect on his jumping, losing ground at just about every hurdle which, added up, probably amounts to as much as the distance he was beaten by at the finish.<br>Time may show that he did carry an injury; the form book, quite a few judges you would respect on here, and good race readers such as Steve Mellish and Lydia Hislop all point to his lack of pace on the day, all of which suggest that those closest to the horse could be mistaken.<br>One thing is certain, Detroit City had the hardest race of his career on Tuesday, and I wouldn’t back him again this season, longer distance or not, no matter what his connections say.
Quote: from FlatSeasonLover on 2:14 pm on Mar. 18, 2007[br]So in that case what would you back to win it next year?<br>
None, i don’t bet Ante Post, it’s pin sticking as any follower of Pricewise AP bets will tell you, but if i were an AP bettor, i would be looking at the horses that beat Sublimity and Afsoun previosly, one fell when traveling well, the other broke a blood vessel, i believe
(Edited by empty wallet at 2:27 pm on Mar. 18, 2007)
Seeing people like going back to this race and quoting how good a race it was and it suits for this purpose
<br>I’ll put the Triumph Hurdle forward to knock holes in reet hard’s half baked theory about DC not being able to travel at Championship pace or jump at Championship pace on better ground
<br>As decent judge Mr Feemantle and others have stated, the horse didn’t run to form
(Edited by empty wallet at 2:51 pm on Mar. 18, 2007)
Having said all that, there are clear indications, both in the form book and in how he ran that day, that the horse struggles to keep up with a top class racing pace on better ground over 2 miles
Like the Triumph last year, when he was prominent on a strong pace and on ground fast enough that allowed him to break the course record?
Quote: from Gareth Flynn on 2:50 pm on Mar. 18, 2007[br]
Like the Triumph last year, when he was prominent on a strong pace and on ground fast enough that allowed him to break the course record?<br>
<br>Seems decent judge G Flynn also refers to this race to knock holes in reets theory
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Gareth/EW
Do try and keep up, for God’s sake!!:o
reet – I backed the horse, and whilst watching him closely from the start knew I’d done my money around the same time as the commentator (Richard Hoiles, I think?) remarked that he was already being niggled along after 50yds. This was far, far too early for a strong early pace to have done for him, and immediately suggested to me that there was something troubling the horse. I would be very surprised if he was asked to do appreciably more in that first 50-odd yards then he was in the first 50-odd yards of the Triumph 12 months earlier.
Lazy horses eh, who’d back ’em?
If you let Corm have his way with a ban of whips we wouldn’t have them to back. Would you miss Detroit City Corm?:biggrin:
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