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Having seen Adayar run at Newmarket, Desert Crown run tonight at Sandown and given that I will be at Epsom on 3rd June.
I have not checked, but certainly for me, to see 3 Derby winners in one season must be a first.
3 Derby winners racing in the same season. I wonder when was the last time that happened? Has it ever happened?
I don’t suppose too many Derby winners are still in training as 5 year olds. Of recent winners, Quest For Fame and High Rise both raced aged 5 but by that time they had been transferred to America and did not race in England.
Nijinsky beat Blakeney in the 1970 King George.
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"Was only talking about Serpentine earlier this evening, the one the field let get away and couldn’t reel back in
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Serpentine won his first race since Epsom on 29th April. 4 runner handicap at Eagle Farm
That Derby conjures up a queasy feel. Run in silence at an empty venue,a month later than most long term contenders had been aimed to peak at, and one yard having all pace angles covered by slotting in runners at the front, mid div,and to the rear, and altogether very unsatisfactory with the winner ending up with a fate once unimaginable for a winner of this race. Barely any room at the inn left for sons of Galileo starting their stud as dual purpose. When it comes to roll of honours lists the race should permanently have an asterisk next to it.
“ending up with a fate once unimaginable for a winner of this race. Barely any room at the inn left for sons of Galileo starting their stud as dual purpose.”
Had he not met with a sad end in the Melbourne Cup, I expect Antony van Dyck would also have been castrated and sold to race on in Australia, having failed to win at the magic 10f (so not attractive as a Flat sire) and preferring quick ground (not much use for a NH sire).
“having failed to win at the magic 10f”
100% THIS.^
I am a traditionalist, but “tradition” is simply what we’ve always known and The Derby won’t regain modern relevance until the day it is reduced to 1m2f.
That will be a very sad day for many – me included – but it’s just not staged over the most fashionable commercial trip any more and this has been the case for years.
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"Also very sad to see such a poor record for Derby winners racing on at 4. If they are top notch go straight to stud at the end of the season. If average winner race on and invariably struggle against 3yos and maturing 4yos. Nijinsky utter dismissal of Blakeney was superb. Oh for a king George like that again.
“Oh for a king George like that again.”
Easiest King George winner: Nijinsky or Montjeu?
Probably Kauto Star tbf – oh, you mean THAT King George?
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It's the "Millwall FC" of Point broadcasts: "No One Likes Us - We Don't Care"Potential for three Derby winners in the 2023 King George which would be very exciting.
Serpentine was beaten in head bobber at Eagle Farm yesterday , winner was a previous Queensland Derby winner , 4th previous Victoria Derby winner .
Id guess they all meet again in Brisbane Cup in wewk or two“Also very sad to see such a poor record for Derby winners racing on at 4. If they are top notch go straight to stud at the end of the season.”
Sadly true, and with Teenoso they got so lucky. The popular script at the time was that the Mollers were being sporting in keeping the colt in training but in reality towards the disappointing end of his three year old career they sounded out that he was up for sale but did not receive the offers anything near what they sought.
When they did finally retire him ( he’d beaten Sadler’s Wells in the KG and was fancied for the Arc but picked up an injury a day or so before), John Oaksey penned a piece in Horse And Hound praising the spirit of the Mollers for going against the trend in hastily retiring big race winners to stud.
The following spring Robert Sangster was interviewed ( think it was at the Newbury Greenham meeting) reflecting over the battle being lost to keep El Gran Senor in training at four, and was unhappy with how he was being portrayed. He actually called out the Oaksey article, dismissing it as being a load of tosh or words similar.
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