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I remember the naked Johnny Murtagh after the Arc in 2005. Surely it wasn’t him again on Saturday? (I don’t remember seeing).
Live TV during excitable moments of emotion is always risky business. My favourite use of the F-word was Barry Geraghty’s "f***ing eejit" comment at Aintree :biggrin: That said, it’s always regrettable when children are watching!
The times I’ve met Frankie were pleasant and I found him affable and approachable. He’s done a lot for racing and makes for more entertainment at big occasions than the likes of Kinane/Moore/Fallon etc.
However what some of the small-time owners have said still doesn’t surprise me as I can imagine him to be like that. Being slightly more humble could be a start but it’s a sad fact of life that celebrity tends to send most people up their own arses.
Shame really. All we need is the right balance of personality and being genuine at the same time!
The one thing that surprised me was that I didn’t realise that Frankie and Frannie Norton were an item!!!
Aren’t personality and ability mutually exclusive?A further racing analogy would be good judge of a yearling but mediocre trainer.
There’s some disagreement in the Happy Jack household over this!  As I remember, Frankie was perfectly pleasant and polite, if a little perfunctory, with our group of owners – certainly not Bella Pasta but more charming than the majority of jocks who have ridden for us.  Though, to be fair, the majority have been apprentices who are entitled to be slightly overwhelmed when greeted by a large bunch of alien owners.  Frankie certainly gave the horse every effort.
I don’t think Dettori is any different from many exuberant individuals – it is hard to be constantly on ‘superzoom’, and the dizzy heights of enthusiasm have to be matched by extra-low lows.  It does not mean they are being ‘false’ – just that they have to get balance from somewhere.
I’ve got nothing against Dettori’s exuberance, but I would have liked him to share a bit more of the credit with Authorized.
(though, I’m not surprised he didn’t)
As Dettori’s 1 from 15 in the Derby and the horse is 1 out of 1, I know who I think deserves the plaudits for the win. ÂÂÂ
Compare Dettori’s antics on Saturday with Soumillon after he won the Arc on Dalakhani.
As he paraded back part the crowd, CS made a point of pointing at the horse to make sure everyone understood the superstar was the one wearing the saddle, not the guy sitting in it.
Steve  ÂÂÂ
(Edited by stevedvg at 6:17 pm on June 4, 2007)
At the moment Dettori is very good for racing. It’s great to read and hear positives (instead of corruption) within racing.<br>He has also helped homesick youngsters at Newmarket Racing School, and apprentices/young jockeys in the weighing room, with words of encouragement.<br>A small trainer and owner from Italy, who could not afford to bring their horse over by plane (had to use the ferry and road), were rewarded by his skill in settling their awkward hard-pulling runner and winning a valuable race for them.
So what?
You could just as well say that about Gordon Richards’s only Derby winner, Pinza, who was every bit as good as Authorized and won just as easily.
I think I could have won on Authorized!!
I’m with the pro-Frankie school of thought. He lives in the glare of publicity, is expected to live up to the exuberant Italian image at all times and has the day to day pressures of one of the top jobs in global racing. Despite that he has done more to promote the positive side of British racing than any other individual since, arguably, Desert Orchid!
He deserves every success he has gained and the sport is indebted to him.
My mate asked him for an autograph at York 1 day and he looked at him as if he had 4 heads and then let a massive sigh outta him and signed his racecard. You wouldv’e thought he asked him for a grand and a go at Catherine. He is a great showman for the cameras and i always found the lesser hyped jocks to be more friendly.
I also find the jocks in Ireland to be a little more friendly and especially carberry if u get him a drink :cheesy:
Hayley Turner or Patrick Hills without his claim would of won on Authorized on Saturday imo.
Quote: from stevedvg on 6:17 pm on June 4, 2007[br]I’ve got nothing against Dettori’s exuberance, but I would have liked him to share a bit more of the credit with Authorized.
(though, I’m not surprised he didn’t)
As Dettori’s 1 from 15 in the Derby and the horse is 1 out of 1, I know who I think deserves the plaudits for the win.
Compare Dettori’s antics on Saturday with Soumillon after he won the Arc on Dalakhani.
As he paraded back part the crowd, CS made a point of pointing at the horse to make sure everyone understood the superstar was the one wearing the saddle, not the guy sitting in it.
Steve
(Edited by stevedvg at 6:17 pm on June 4, 2007)<br>
Did he not turn around in the French Derby and wave them along? Altho i like a bit of controversy in racing like that.
Smithy, you are sooooo out of touch with reality…..
<br>…..Bella Pasta changed its name to Bella Italia some time ago.
"The choice at Bella Italia is huge including pasta, pizza, grill dishes and some delicious meat and fish dishes. Select an individual restaurant from the locations menu for pricing."
he seemed polite enough when i bumped into a crowd of people at ascot and he was signing racecards for all of them – and he was even polite enough to explain to me that jockeys don’t carry pens onto horses when i as a quick thought asked him if he’d sign my racecard too when he’d finished signing their racecards and was about to get on the horse – i remember thinking ‘why don’t they carry pens with them ?’
ron dennis’s comments about the charecteristics needed to be a top winner in sport were right i think and in that light i think you’d have to say frankie is one of the good guys – i certainly don’t recall press stories of him being crooked, shagging other people’s missus, fighting, setting fire to planes or generally misbehaving like so many other jockeys who can’t string a coherent sentence together
Yep, diuretics.
http://www.rte.ie/sport/1999/0924/dettori.html
He also received a police caution for cocaine possession which he talks about in his autobiography right after he left Cumani.
(Edited by naps at 9:34 am on June 5, 2007)
Every time I’ve come across Dettori he has been nothing bar friendly and chatty. He was one of the very rare handful of flat jockeys who would actually talk to you when leading him up!
I like him, it must be hard to have to be cheerful all the time.<br>He said hello to me on Emirates Skyline at the starts at York last meeting and was asking me about what the York Eye was, then he went and won. Me and my friend had to sit down, yes we have met plenty of jockeys before, are mates with a few and gone out with one or two but we were seriously starstruck.
I think CS is a very exuberant person aswell, its great to see people so elated. If I won the derby id be bouncing off the walls for days too ;)
(i love weighing room footage – theres always some good nude shots to be seen if you look hard enough – ok…’look hard enough’….that didnt come out quite right!!!
(Edited by Rach at 9:00 pm on June 14, 2007)
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