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guys the racecourses will be getting 9k per race media rights money from jan 1st, the only thing pursuading them to put any of this into pm is the tariff, as the bha in their wisdom abandond minnium values
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guys the racecourses will be getting 9k per race media rights money from jan 1st, the only thing pursuading them to put any of this into pm is the tariff, as the bha in their wisdom abandond minnium values
Mr Rotten, You miss the major contention of this thread,
i.e.
that the existence of the "tariff" is encouraging the racecourses to
reduce
the class of races in order to
lower
prize money. This is demonstrably the case. The "tariff" is therefore acting to
lower
the quality of racing, as well as
lower
prize money. It does not work, and no praise is due to it.
The "tariff" is therefore acting to
lower
the quality of racing, as well as
lower
prize money. It does not work, and no praise is due to it.
Not true,tariffs may reduce the class of race on offer but not prize money.
If tariffs had not been introduced there’s no doubt prize money would have been considerably less than it has been although the class of race in a number of instances would have remained higher.- Total Posts 17716
Not true,tariffs may reduce the class of race on offer but not prize money.
Yeats
, if the class of race is lowered then so is the prize money. That is what is happening all around the country, and I don’t suppose the bungling Horsemen’s Group is any happier about it than the rest of us. Their "tariff" policy has blown up in their face.
Mr Pinza
with no minimum values from the BHA what is stopping the courses from running every race for 2k regardless of the class, it will happen unless sombody forces them to put up better PM
Not true,tariffs may reduce the class of race on offer but not prize money.
Yeats
, if the class of race is lowered then so is the prize money. That is what is happening all around the country, and I don’t suppose the bungling Horsemen’s Group is any happier about it than the rest of us. Their "tariff" policy has blown up in their face.
At the risk of repeating myself, the race programme is merely being adjusted to reflect the horse population.
with no minimum values from the BHA what is stopping the courses from running every race for 2k regardless of the class, it will happen unless sombody forces them to put up better PM
They, themselves, have….
Year on year upto the 31-07-2011 every single Racecourse in the country have increased the percentage share of the total Prize Money coming from Racecourses Executives and Sponsorship.
The total increase for all courses is 27% based on the previous year on year 12 months.
Figures from the ROA Here
thats because they were putting in next to nothing when receiving levy they are now getting vast amounts in media rights
very little of which is ending up in pursesAt the risk of repeating myself, the race programme is merely being adjusted to reflect the horse population.
A self-fulfilling prophecy, the more rubbish you have for rubbish to run in the more you’ll need as more of the better horses will be sold to or race abroad.
The idea should surely to be to increase the quality of racing not decrease it.At the risk of repeating myself, the race programme is merely being adjusted to reflect the horse population.
A self-fulfilling prophecy, the more rubbish you have for rubbish to run in the more you’ll need as more of the better horses will be sold to or race abroad.
The idea should surely to be to increase the quality of racing not decrease it.It can’t be self-fulfilling. As I set out earlier in this thread, the collapse of the bloodstock industry has resulted in a large number of poor mares being taken out of circulation. If people aren’t breeding from poor mares then the number of poor horses will inevitably decrease again.
Reducing the numerical class of a race is absolutely the right thing to do if the balance of the horse population is currently skewed to the downside.
Quite why anyone thinks that without either minimum values or the horseman’s tariff there would be no reduction in the quality of racing in this country is beyond me.
A class 2 or 3 race in name (or rather number) only is pointless if the prizemoney doesn’t reflect that numeric class.
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A class 2 or 3 race in name (or rather number) only is pointless if the prizemoney doesn’t reflect that numeric class.
Tuffers
, Are you not letting the tail wag the dog? Prize money can only reflect economic conditions, the state of the Sport, the state of the Nation, the value of the Pound. If you are saying that prize money should be allowed to dictate class, you are going against both Timeform and Nature.
In fact I would think the average rating of median horses (taking out the top and bottom quartiles) would be likely to have risen slightly over the last thirty years.
Prize money, unfortunately, cannot reflect that: but that does not mean we should be having fewer Listed and Group races, which is the logical implication of your statement.
A class 2 or 3 race in name (or rather number) only is pointless if the prizemoney doesn’t reflect that numeric class.
Tuffers
, Are you not letting the tail wag the dog? Prize money can only reflect economic conditions, the state of the Sport, the state of the Nation, the value of the Pound. If you are saying that prize money should be allowed to dictate class, you are going against both Timeform and Nature.
In fact I would think the average rating of median horses (taking out the top and bottom quartiles) would be likely to have risen slightly over the last thirty years.
Prize money, unfortunately, cannot reflect that: but that does not mean we should be having fewer Listed and Group races, which is the logical implication of your statement.
I think that the number of races of a certain class should reflect the number of horses of that class in the racing population.
Having said that, for races eg maidens and novice races, where the class of the race affects the penalty the winner will carry in future races, then it should be the prizemoney that dictates the numerical class as the winner should be adequately compensated in prizmoney terms for having to carry more weight in the future.
If I owned a racehorse that behind the scenes was good enough to win a Class 3 or 4 race, the chances are I would be ensuring the trainer kept its handicap mark down to a level where it could race frequently enough for me to enjoy ownership and I could land a few touches. Which would mean running in Class 5 and 6 races!!
Freddy Engels on his way to Hong Kong.
Getting dangerous bad now the movement of British Bloodstock out of the country.
Prize Money coming home to roost
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Getting dangerous bad now the movement of British Bloodstock out of the country.
So You Think.
Is in that reference to the Horse??
If so significant difference. SYT was bought to race abroad to make a Stallion in Europe sold for 40 Million odd quid. Owners’ still retain a interest but sold controlling share as it races abroad.
Massive difference compared to the outflux of horses to Hong Kong from England.
Even a rich man like Sheikh of Pearl Bloodstock new economically made no sense to keep this horse under his banner racing in Britain.
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