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    simons26
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    Little Josh is ante post favorite do you think he could do the double?? If not who do you fancy? :roll:

    #330647
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    I was so taken by Little Josh the first time I saw him I backed him to win the RSA at 100/1 last season. He’s a lovely horse but depsite a brilliant display of jumping last time we may not have seen the last of his tendancy to try and walk straight through one.

    Winning 2 big race handicaps is a very difficult thing to do and he’ll be somthing like 9lbs higher this time.

    Last season pre Xmas if you had asked any of the lads at Nicky Henderson’s for a horse to back at the Festival you would have been very surprised at the answer.

    Almost to a man they would have said Dave’s Dream is a machine. What went wrong I don’t know but he failed to justify the hype and never raised a gallop for the rest of the season.

    That could be a blessing in disguise and it may just reap rewards in this. He could be a bit of a handicap certainty in this.

    Nicky Henderson has also entered French Opera and Mad Max.

    Mad Max is also entered but he’s had wind problems all his days. I think he’s had something like 3 wind operations and Nicky has been very patient with him.

    I hope I’m right when I say I think he’ll need a bit more time before we see the best of him. He was absolutely cruising at the top of the hill behind little Josh before blowing up so you would expect a big run from him but I’m convince Nicky is training him for a crack at the Gold Cup proper.

    In a way I hope he doesn’t run him but the only other race for him would be the King George and I can’t see him running him there.

    No idea if Phsyco will run but he’d be of interest of a low weight.

    Sunnyhillboy despite winning early last season wasn’t on the top of his form until a few weeks before the Festival but Jonjo very seldom pushes his novices early doors.

    Now in his second season chasing and with probably only 10stone to carry if he turns up 100% he’ll be the one they all have to beat depsite the massive turnaround he would have to come up with to beat Litle Josh.

    However Dave’s Dream was so impressive last time, his form is there to see and fitness is guaranteed so I am sticking with him.

    Dave’s Dream 7/1 ew plus an ew saver on Mad Max just in case.

    #330648
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    I was hoping to see Copper Bleu in this, but obviously not ready yet.

    Too early for me, but agree with Dave’s Dream, if he’s good as a lot of people think, he could be anything.

    Also like the look of Poquelin, and he’s the Antepost play at 25’s. I’m also looking at Chapoturgeon, think he has to be respected.

    I’d love to see Noland return, retaining something like his old ability, he’s another interesting entry.

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    Calgary Bay carrying 10st 6lb? The monster will be let loose under that weight.

    Obviously a very difficult horse to place, but he won the Dipper over course and distance as a novice and his latest effort was encouraging over a trip short of his best.

    33/1 is a huge price for a horse that should also enjoy the expected decent pace.

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    I can’t believe it. Sports Line is now in training with Donald McCain.

    He was sold at the recent sales so obviously their must be a problem with him.

    Very disappointed with that but maybe Donald McCain can get the best out of him…. :?:

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    Calgary Bay carrying 10st 6lb? The monster will be let loose under that weight.

    Obviously a very difficult horse to place, but he won the Dipper over course and distance as a novice and his latest effort was encouraging over a trip short of his best.

    33/1 is a huge price for a horse that should also enjoy the expected decent pace.

    As it stands, he’s the value bet of the race. Should be verrrry interesting.

    BlueSky @pghenn.bsky.social

    So don't run, just like the others always do

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    The problem is Calgary Bay always catches the eye but he needs everything to go his way to enable him to win.

    He carries weight really well and while he may look attractive of a low weight it’s quite the opposite IMO

    It means he meeting much better horse who he won’t be able to bully and when the fight starts he’ll be the first one out of there.

    Of course at 33/1 he doesn’t have to win to come out on top if you back him.

    Another horse that catches the eye is Robinson Collonges but the handicapper gets paranoid when he sees the name Paul Nichols and that makes him very difficult to say one way or another if he’s good enough or not.

    I suppose PN wouldn’t run him if he thought he wasn’t up to it but this is amile above anything he’s done so far.

    Wouldn’t put anyone off backing Great Endeavour as he is still very well handicapped and obviously likes the track. He came up short in his first race last season before going on to win his next race. A lot to make up on Little Josh but when they aren’t ready with Mr Pipe they really aren’t ready and they can improve bundles next time out. At around 8/1 the bookies aren’t for taking any chances.

    Lot of interesting runners in this and should be fun to watch.

    #331313
    Avatar photoThe Ante-Post King
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    I was impressed with

    Great Endeavour

    at the festival with Danny Cook aboard and am convinced that was not the same horse who turned up in the Paddy Power,if the real one turns up on Saturday,Little Josh will know he"s had a race! I remember Exotic Dancer doing the double several years ago,he overcame a 10lb hike in the ratings to do it but physically carried only 2lb more in actual weight,comparing the pair is like comparing chalk and cheese too! What concerns me about

    Calgary Bay

    is that the Doncaster race he won 12 months ago falls on the same Saturday and miraculously he runs off virtually the same mark he won it off last year! :shock: No bullish "if he runs he wins" remarks from me with this one i"m afraid!

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    not sure is the package is entered to run in this race but if ever there was one whose day will come this is it .

    ive lost count of the days though when ive said that though so i might be way off the mark .

    mad max as FIST says above was travelling like a dream at the last meeting so maybe hell be spot on for this one .i know from a lambourn open day visit after hed run in a bumper that this was a special one in fact on the day i can remember talking to someone who said that the placed horse in that bumper was well thought of too- cant remember its name now – will have to look that 0ne up.

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    Judging by the Paddy Power, Little Josh will easily run this one. Dancing Tornado lost his edge as a threat to Josh and I think Mad Max having his weights almost the same as in the PP, will battle Josh head to head.

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    What concerns me about

    Calgary Bay

    is that the Doncaster race he won 12 months ago falls on the same Saturday and miraculously he runs off virtually the same mark he won it off last year! :shock:

    My suspicions aren"t unfounded as Hen says if Doncaster is on then

    Calgary Bay

    runs there! Thankfully for Bosranic and his supporters there"s more chance of a Capercallie feeding on my nuts than Doncaster thawing for Saturday,it was -10 degrees and 6 inches of Snow covering town moor this morning! 33/1, 1/4 odds 1st 4 has to be taken now as there could only be 15 runners turn up on Saturday and Calgary finishing 4th is feasible!

    #331398
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    Thats a good point about calgary bay he could be the handicap snip king. He was leading that last race 3 furlongs out at cheltenham last time giving everything a lot of weight so the drop back to 2m 5 f could be the answer. BUT i like this Robinson Collognes and been some good reports about it and he could not of been any more impressive. but i dont think the opposition was all that but 1 he beat fininshed close to punchestown last season and he crushed that horse. Come on Robbo

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    Paul Carberry is back on Mad Max on Saturday. BG obviously thinks Dave’s Dream has an outstanding chance.

    #331543
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    I’m intrigued by Psycho. Apparently, he is, as Nick Mordin put it, "insanely" fast over two miles. If he stays the extra, I could see him winning it. If he were to run in the Paddy Power Dial-A-Bet Chase over 17f, Mordin says he wouldn’t be put off by the presence in the field of the likes of Big Zeb, Master Minded and/or Gold and Silver.

    Psycho was 4/1 joint favourite with Captain Cee Bee in an earlier Group 1 race, but fell 4 out, then was 4th and last to the same horse, when not seeming sharp.

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    I’m intrigued by Psycho. Apparently, he is, as Nick Mordin put it, "insanely" fast over two miles..

    Surely the ‘insanely fast’ quote is a pun on the horses name? His speed rating isn’t a massive one.

    #331566
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    I’m sure you’re right!!! I hadn’t spotted it, though I had spotted the low sped figure, which I think was 77, and I found that puzzling.

    Though perhaps it is assessed in that sense (not as a figure) in comparison with the other winners on the same card.

    But whatever the case, righty or wrongly, but partly in the context of the earlier races I mentioned, his joint- favouritism in the Grade I won by Capt CB (sequere pecuniam!), and Mordin’s assessment of his chances against top 2 milers, I’m still inclined to be duly(?) impressed.

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    Paul Carberry is back on Mad Max on Saturday.

    He won’t be if Fairyhouse race on Saturday but that does look unlikely.

    Psycho was 4/1 joint favourite with Captain Cee Bee in an earlier Group 1 race, but fell 4 out, then was 4th and last to the same horse, when not seeming sharp.

    Joint second-fav if memory serves me correct. I think Riverside Theatre went off favourite in the Swordlestown. Psycho’s dismissal of Osana at Naas was very taking but he’s also in the Hilly Way at Cork on Sunday which will go ahead.

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