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Absolutely spot on Joe and Steve, a strong message needs to be sent to the wider public because image counts for so much in today’s world. A one year suspension would seem about right.
imo Matters more whether he’s innocent or guilty than “image”, GM.
On what I’ve seen, I think if Russell is given a year suspention he’ll see the racing authorities in court.
Value Is EverythingAs others have stated, if Russell is found guilty then he deserves, and should receive , a lengthy ban.
Again, if as appears likely from the footage, he has “punched” the poor animal to the head, then he has certainly lessened my view of him. I thought that he was poorly treated when losing his previous job, and that he handled himself remarkably well in those circumstances.
However this type of thing has no place in racing, whether on the racecourse or hidden behind a stable door. I understand that horses can be frustrating from time to time, but what on earth was he hoping to achieve – other than to make the poor thing head shy. Poor form indeed !Whatever happened to suspension during investigation?
Sometimes I wonder about the way some people view scenarios, I really do.
Anyone up for a whip round for poor Davy Russell’s sore hand?
Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty?
If (and only if) he is guilty of the things people are accusing him of, I hope the authorities give him at least a long suspention. Before that, I think Russell deserves a fair hearing.Sometimes I wonder about how some people view scenarios, I really do.
Bloody hell GM, good job your not part of the Judiciary in this country. How does that twitter clip show DR punching the horse ? Come on, saying he should lose his livelihood for one year is ludicrous
Well, if he wasn’t hitting the horse, what was it then? And why did the horse turn it’s head away from him?
Absolutely spot on Joe and Steve, a strong message needs to be sent to the wider public because image counts for so much in today’s world. A one year suspension would seem about right.
imo Matters more whether he’s innocent or guilty than “image”, GM.
On what I’ve seen, I think if Russell is given a year suspention he’ll see the racing authorities in court.
He looks as guilty as sin to me, Ginger. I can see what you’re saying and sometimes the camera does lie. I wonder whether Irish Turf have another angle and also whether or not any of Russell’s fellow jockeys saw/heard the incident and, if so, what they will tell the enquiry! What will he say himself?
I don’t know the history of how severely or leniently Irish Turf discipline guilty Irish jockeys. If there is only the one piece of evidence, widely seen, to go on then it must surely find him guilty, especially if they consider that image with the psychological context (his past short-temperedness and why he would feel annoyed and embarrassed by the horse’s behaviour).
The incident is shocking to racing fans so goodness only knows the damage it will cause to the sport in the wider, albeit uninformed, court of public opinion. If that one piece of film is the only evidence available to Irish Turf and Russell disagrees with his punishment how will he be able to prove he didn’t do what he blatantly appears to have done?
It wouldn’t surprise me if it came out later down the line he has a drinking problem… always seems to be at these cheltenham previews where the drink flows freely
Whatever happened to suspension during investigation?
Sometimes I wonder about the way some people view scenarios, I really do.
Anyone up for a whip round for poor Davy Russell’s sore hand?
Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty?
If (and only if) he is guilty of the things people are accusing him of, I hope the authorities give him at least a long suspention. Before that, I think Russell deserves a fair hearing.Sometimes I wonder about how some people view scenarios, I really do.
Bloody hell GM, good job your not part of the Judiciary in this country. How does that twitter clip show DR punching the horse ? Come on, saying he should lose his livelihood for one year is ludicrous
Lol. ‘Ang ‘im, ‘ang ‘im, ‘ang ‘im!
You are taking Steve’s quote out of context, Botchy, he was saying Russell should be suspended, taken out of public view, while the incident is being investigated so serious are its implications for how the sport is perceived. And see my post above this one.
Why shouldn’t he lose his livelihood for one year… guy is a top jockey so presumably has plenty of money in the bank… might teach him some humility
personally I’d ban him for life, set an example for others
Why shouldn’t he lose his livelihood for one year… guy is a top jockey so presumably has plenty of money in the bank… might teach him some humility
personally I’d ban him for life, set an example for others
Because then what are you going to do to a guy who gets caught on camera for slapping his dog because it’s just sh@t on his new carpet. Sixty lashes, pull his toenails out ?
Should be banned for a substantial period, not life
Its a unique sport in regards to how non supporters view it, small incidents like this have massive implications, the news never picks up a horse in superb form, but it does pick up on the occasional horse racing tragedy (usually the national)
Although the horse was definitely not hurt in this video/incident, how this can be percieved is far greater than the crime and he should be punished justly….. of course their are far more criminal acts going on when animals are involved behind the scenes, but we can only punish whats in front of our eyes, this cant be let go.
Why shouldn’t he lose his livelihood for one year… guy is a top jockey so presumably has plenty of money in the bank… might teach him some humility
personally I’d ban him for life, set an example for others
Because then what are you going to do to a guy who gets caught on camera for slapping his dog because it’s just sh@t on his new carpet. Sixty lashes, pull his toenails out ?
Why not. Don’t like animal abusers.
Anyway Davy Russell is in the public eye. He’s supposed to set an example.
Plus he’s got history of this, wasn’t he caught hitting a horse in the face with the whip before? anger issues imo.
Should be banned for a substantial period, not life
Its a unique sport in regards to how non supporters view it, small incidents like this have massive implications, the news never picks up a horse in superb form, but it does pick up on the occasional horse racing tragedy (usually the national)
Although the horse was definitely not hurt in this video/incident, how this can be percieved is far greater than the crime and he should be punished justly….. of course their are far more criminal acts going on when animals are involved behind the scenes, but we can only punish whats in front of our eyes, this cant be let go.
You mean it’s ok for a load of toffs to get dressed up on a weekend in red jackets and go chase an animal with a pack of dogs, with the ultimate aim of ripping it to shreds.
Surely more serious matters need sorting first before taking away someones career for slapping a horse on the spur of the moment.
But why is he tee-total, did he have a drinking problem before?
Botchy doesn’t seem to think slapping horses is that big a deal. Apparently it’s “spur of the moment stuff”
I could forgive Russell if this was a one off. However as I said before he has history of it, the only way he’s going to change is if you make an example of him.
Here’s one for you.
Punch on the head (maybe once in ten years) – completely unacceptable. A deplorable act. i think we all concur.
Hit them as hard as you like with a whip… multiple times… almost every race – thumbs up
Logic failure surely?
I also worry that this sort of thing (and much worse) is common behind closed doors. Racing people refer to their horses in all sorts of ways that resist personification – sacks, yolks, machines, aeroplanes, beasts, leppers, weapons, tools, types, sorts, projects, by number, by colour…
This kind of language sounds quite innocent but I wonder if it betrays some general refusal to acknowledge horses as sentient beings.
Most of the magic moments in racing come from horses with special traits, styles and personalities. Racing shouldn’t shy away from the sentimental side, especially if it eliminates this lack of respect from human to horse.
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