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“If they where honest people their would be no problem,but the Bookmaker is a man born of dishonest“
Comments came in “Figaro“ the magazine!
Isn`t this liable?
Funny coming from a racehorse trainer………..Is that liable?
Actually moralising Bookmaking is quite tricky if you consider the likes of William Hill and Joe Coral where very much into taking bets long before licensing became an issue, in fact, most of the modern day Bookmakers dirived from illegal operations,that brings me to the next question:-
Was their some type of amnesty?
or are we simply 40 years ahead of Russia……ie Mafia are now known as Businessmen (or Women)!!
“or are we simply 40 years ahead of Russia……ie Mafia are now known as Businessmen (or Women)!!
Isn’t that libel Tony?
Joking aside and going back to the original quote – what is the context in which it was made?
Is there a web link to the article?
Cheers
http://www.tmcnet.com/usubmit/2007/11/05/3068583.htm
The actual comment i read was in chat section of RP but i was already upto date on the EU challenge to the French Gaming monopoly!
“If they where honest people their would be no problem,but the Bookmaker is a man born of dishonest“
Comments came in “Figaro“ the magazine!
Isn`t this liable?I don’t know but I get a feeling Jilly is going to come down on them like a ton of bricks.
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or are we simply 40 years ahead of Russia……ie Mafia are now known as Businessmen (or Women)!!
.. spot on with that.
Bookmaking as such wasn’t illegal pre Betting Shops. It was taking cash that was illegal. All transactions were supposed to be on credit accounts.
I've stumbled on the side of twelve misty mountains
I've walked and I crawled on six crooked highwaysI can understand Criquette Head’s attachment to the pari-mutuel system they have in France.
Logging on to the Paris-Turf this evening, I see that there are two meetings scheduled in Paris today. Looking at the cards on the PMU site, there are no black type races, but Auteuil’s 7-race program has a total prize fund of 243,000 euros, and Vincennes’ 7-races amount to 287,000 euros.
On the same site, clicking on the racecourses shows me the admission charge for each meeting is 3 euros.
No wonder she thinks that bookmakers are dishonest!
I hope the French tell them where to go, the same as our spineless lot should have done with our Tote.
You have to look at things like this properly. If they go down the route we have and allow the bookies to dictate how the industry is run, will the bookies fund the sport properly from their income .. ?
Mme. Head is spot on.
Dont see how giving up the PMU could be of any benefit to the French and I hope they fight it tooth and nail.
How about punter choice? So many people on her say about taking fixed prices, and how they would never purchase a tin of beans without knowing what it costs, yet that is something a PMU monopoly forces punters to do.
Punter choice, DJ?
Ladbrokes, Hills, Corals etc already offer their own prices on Arc weekend, Breeders Cup, and several other International meetings.
What is to prevent them from doing this on a regular basis, with French or any other racing?
Is this move, perchance, an attempt to strangle the PMU (which regularly beats the prices offered by said firms) and thereby stifle competition and punter choice??
If I start sounding too much like Alan Dribbley, do let me know.
13% takeout on the win pool.
500 million quid back into French racing each year.
Funds 61,000 jobs directly in the French equine industry.Punter choice? Lads,Hills,Corals. Same sh*t different smell.
The public always have a choice .. take it or leave it .. Adam Smith style.
This legislation has already gone through Germany and Belgium I believe, I don’t know if there has been an adverse effect or not, less horses or problems funding the sport?
The public always have a choice .. take it or leave it .. Adam Smith style.
This legislation has already gone through Germany and Belgium I believe, I don’t know if there has been an adverse effect or not, less horses or problems funding the sport?
Not sure what you mean with legislation as already gone through in Germany and Belgium,theirs been no legislation change in Germany for many years,the only battle is with regards to Sportsbetting and Lotteries,the State are trying to retain control despite the fact that agencies (Who supposedly transfer bets to other jurisdictions) have been in existence for at least 6 years,the German authorities have tried to retain the monopoly and the High court (Bundesverfassungsgericht) gave them until the end of 2007 to implement procedures to reduce problem gambling and come up with a suitable regime,however,Brussels and Charlie McCreery stepped in and declared the move as being in contradiction with “Freedom of movement“ 49C of the EU treaty, thus the fight goes on (Which incidently im very much involved with)
With regards to Horseracing, Germany is a disaster,the Bookmakers have control because knowone will support a Tote system that takes out 25%, the pools are very weak and the return to racing very low,lowered prizemoney and lack of meetings are standard, theirs been squabbling over picture rights for the past 10 years, German Horseracing Bookmakers are top of the league when it comes to taking and not giving anything back!!
With regards to Belgium, a betting tax of 15% in Flanders and 11% in the remainder means a lot of the Bookmaking goes underground, particular Sportsbetting, still, Belgium are trying to change their laws ,however, in the land of Bureaucrats its not so easy!
Sweden are showing signs of liberalisation……..be interesting to see what duty they expect,Scandanavia is better known for high taxes so im not holding my breath!
Certain regions of Spain have introduced legislation so as you can see Europe is certainly opening up, Most east bloc countries that are in the EU allow some form of Gambling so outside of France and Greece lifes becoming a struggle for the monopolies,whatever happens in France i can`t see it effecting the PMU, its stronger than the Bookmakers in many respects and it behaves the way a real tote should!!
“If they where honest people their would be no problem,but the Bookmaker is a man born of dishonest“
Comments came in “Figaro“ the magazine!
Isn`t this liable?
Funny coming from a racehorse trainer………..Is that liable?
Actually moralising Bookmaking is quite tricky if you consider the likes of William Hill and Joe Coral where very much into taking bets long before licensing became an issue, in fact, most of the modern day Bookmakers dirived from illegal operations,that brings me to the next question:-
Was their some type of amnesty?
or are we simply 40 years ahead of Russia……ie Mafia are now known as Businessmen (or Women)!!
Classically funny
Actually I find course bookmakers very honest people. When my friend was riding and I was going racing regular I would even bother collecting if he was in ahurry to get off……..next meeting I went to and could be a week, the cash was always there without asking. Grand bunch of lads win lose or draw. Must be French bookies they talking about.
PS were William Hill and Joe Coral actually a bookies at one time? I thought they were always accountants
Thanks for the reply Tony.
Its very difficult to get proper information about what and why things happen in your own country, let alone in another one. Our own press have spun the sale of our own Tote as our governments idea, when in fact it was nothing of the sort.
This article [b:2wfyim43]Nzherald[/url:2wfyim43][/b:2wfyim43]
states …
Belgium and Germany racing has been devastated by the advent of the free market there. Less popular race meetings have been scrapped, especially in trotting, and racehorse owning and training have been concentrated in fewer and fewer hands.
I can’t find any evidence to back any of this up, perhaps it’s not true?
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