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- November 13, 2009 at 11:22 #13214
(1:05) 317B Craddockstown Nov. S’chase (Grade
2) €26,040.00 ( 2m – 4yo+ )1 Sizing Europe (Hde Bromhead) – AELynch 11,07
2 Beau Michael (GB) (AMcGuinness) – (T) 11,04
3 China Rock (MFMorris) – NPMadden 11,04
4 Coolpotts(118) (JABerry) – RMMoran 11,04
5 Dancing Tornado (MHourigan) – 11,04
6 Hotel Hilamar(123) (NMeade) – (T) 11,04
7 Major Finnegan (WJBurke) – DNRussell 11,04Should be straightforward for Sizing Europe. He has to be winning races like this with a bit in hand if he’s a genuine Arkle horse. I likes the way Major Finnegan shaped at the October meeting and he’ll definitely win races over fences. I thought China Rock would be a horse to follow this year but he’s been a bit disappointing on his two runs so far. Ground is likely to be against him as well.
November 14, 2009 at 17:52 #258653
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One of my fav jocks is Davy Russell and he upset Jered buig time on Mt Finnegan last time.
I’ll be impressed if Sizing Europe wins this in a canter as it isn’t as straightforward as his previous runs everthing in the race is capable.
He’s had everything his own way up to now as Harchibald wasn’t off a yard the last time and the horse he beat first time out was beaten 100 lengths by Catch Me.
Be interesting to see how he copes if a few of these run well.
November 14, 2009 at 19:33 #258673Have always thought a lot of Dancing Tornado and thought he was mugged by a crap ride at cheltenham. Sizing Europe obviously the one to beat but at 20/1 I think Dancing Tornado is one to stick with and is definitely worth an e/w at least.
November 15, 2009 at 13:21 #258749Just watched both Sizing Europe and Tataniano.
Both are obviously very solid jumpers, but the Irish horse impressed me more.
Travels incredibly well and is one very athletic individual. Seems to love his fences, doesn’t he?
It’s easy to compare Tataniano with last years winner, stablemate Tatenen.
The latter has been found wanting, somewhat, and I’d be surprised if a couple of the classy hurdling recruits aren’t too good for Tataniano.
Still a long way to go, though.
November 15, 2009 at 15:34 #258778Just watched both Sizing Europe and Tataniano.
Both are obviously very solid jumpers, but the Irish horse impressed me more.
Travels incredibly well and is one very athletic individual. Seems to love his fences, doesn’t he?
It’s easy to compare Tataniano with last years winner, stablemate Tatenen.
The latter has been found wanting, somewhat, and I’d be surprised if a couple of the classy hurdling recruits aren’t too good for Tataniano.
Still a long way to go, though.
Sizing Europe might have too much class for Tataniano but I suspect Tataniano is considered a good bit better than Tatenan.
Given the fragility he has shown in the past for me Sizing Europe still has plenty to prove. It might be a whole different ball game coming off the bridle on a much stiffer left-handed track.
November 15, 2009 at 15:36 #258779Don’t know about that Stilvi.
This time last year the word was that Tatenen was a superstar.
November 15, 2009 at 15:50 #258784Punchestown is a stiff old track as well Stilvi. If Sizing Europe stays sound he’ll be very hard beat in the Arkle.
November 15, 2009 at 16:31 #258795
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Of course he will he should have won a Champion Hurdle remember and his cruising speed is just as high over fences by the looks of things. Looks a different horse to the sick boy we saw last season that’s for sure,
November 15, 2009 at 19:19 #258817
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As pieces of form go, it’s hardly rock solid.
Major Finnegan, whilst decent, was having his second run following a layoff of two years and almost certainly wants better ground; Beau Michael was making his debut over fences; China Rock was always going to struggle over the minimum trip; Coolpotts won an awful race at Fairyhouse only 11 days ago (not to mention being beaten further in this race last year); Hotel Hilamar is a 123-rated hurdler who was trounced by Fosters Cross last time out.
Sizing Europe won impressively, of that there is little doubt, but I won’t be rushing to back him for the Arkle on the strength of that run. Besides, why didn’t De Bromhead send him to Cheltenham for the Novices’ Chase won by Tataniano? He brought the horse over for the Greatwood two seasons ago so clearly has no worries about travelling, had two runners at the course on Friday, would have had identical conditions (both in terms of ground and prize money) and would now know if the Arkle was a realistic target following the Champion Hurdle disappointment in 2008.
He’s one to swerve for me.
As for comparing Tataniano to Tatenen, on what basis is that an accurate measure of the former’s ability? Would a direct comparison between Sizing Europe and Northern Alliance, who won the Craddockstown last year, be useful? The Nicholls horses are completely different, not least due to the discrepancy in the level of their form over hurdles; Tataniano, a disappointing run behind Diamond Harry aside (unsuitable ground and trip), was different gravy to Tatenen.
Of today’s winners, I know which I’d fancy to fare better at the Festival.
November 15, 2009 at 20:00 #258822I don’t think the form of the race today is suspect at all. Its about as strong a field as you’re going to get for a Grade 2 novice chase at this time of year. Jered went and franked the Major Finnegan’s form in the beginners chase later on. Although the ground and trip was against China Rock, he’s still a decent stick who will always run a respectable race.
I don’t know why Tataniano is the same price as Sizing Europe. Sizing Europe was on a different planet to the Nicholls horse over hurdles. I think Tataniano is being compared to Tatenen because they have similarish profiles. Both lightly raced over hurdles and have beaten very little over fences so far. If he wasn’t stabled in Ditcheat I think he’d be twice the price.
Sizing Europe didn’t travel at all well to Cheltenham for the festival last year so it is no surprise that they didn’t bother travelling to Prestbury Park this weekend. Why risk the horse travelling over in the ferry from Rosslare in adverse weather when there’s a winnable Grade 2 two hours drive up the N9?
November 15, 2009 at 20:19 #258829I don’t know why Tataniano is the same price as Sizing Europe. Sizing Europe was on a different planet to the Nicholls horse over hurdles. I think Tataniano is being compared to Tatenen because they have similarish profiles. Both lightly raced over hurdles and have beaten very little over fences so far. If he wasn’t stabled in Ditcheat I think he’d be twice the price.
Sizing Europe didn’t travel at all well to Cheltenham for the festival last year so it is no surprise that they didn’t bother travelling to Prestbury Park this weekend. Why risk the horse travelling over in the ferry from Rosslare in adverse weather when there’s a winnable Grade 2 two hours drive up the N9?
A winnable race of similar stature that was worth £5,000 more, too!
There’s a plethora of races for Novice Chasers at this stage of the season. It’s a case of take your pick. Yes, he travelled over for the Greatwood Hurdle. A race worth a fair few quid and one that quite a few improving horses with Champion Hurdle potential take their chance in. Didn’t Sizing Europe best Osana?
I agree with you, IC.
Tatenen, who I’m fairly certain was rated higher than Tataniano over hurdles, was all the rage after claiming this contest in equally impressive fashion last year from Straw Bear and look what happened. His price is more down to the ‘Nicholls Factor’ than anything else. Nice horse, nonetheless.
Sizing Europe was a far superior hurdler to Tataniano and appears to have translated that ability to fences. No harm that he stays further than two miles, either.
November 15, 2009 at 21:02 #258846Some dubious comparisons being made here.
The relative merit of Tatenan has no bearing whatsoever on the chances of Tataniano next March.
Tataniano was probably bought as a potential Gold Cup horse and it was only at the end of last season that they worked him out so to compare the relative hurdle marks of Tataniano and Sizing Europe is not a particularly worthwhile exercise some might say ridiculous. One thing for sure Tataniano was on an upward curve the opposite of Sizing Europe.
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