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Covid is kiling people all over the world.
Boris did not invent Covid.Value Is EverythingI did not want to write further on the Tom thread – Nathan’s picture is a perfect epitaph. Drone may be right about slipping away with pneumonia. I think it very sad as he looked in such fine fettle earlier in the year. When a very old man or woman dies there are never any questions.
My obvious question is simply this – who gave him covid ? Was it a health worker who visited his home wearing just a poor medical mask ? If that was the case I would not have let him or her in. Was it a visiting unprotected doctor ? If that was the case I would have raised my voice and said ” STAND BACK”
Was it a grandchild or one if his older children who got too close ( less than 2 metres )
Was the house well ventilated ? Did they scrimp on heating ? It brings back memories of Ken Dodd who seemed to deteriorate when he was moved from hospital to home.Captain Tom was in a potentially vulnerable group. I have checked where I can and done searches, but cannot find the answers. He was taken far too soon.
My obvious question is simply this – who gave him covid ? Was it a health worker who visited his home wearing just a poor medical mask ? If that was the case I would not have let him or her in. Was it a visiting unprotected doctor ?
The media is chock-full of eulogies to Moore stating that he died OF covid, whereas the truth is almost certainly that he died WITH covid, having contracted pneumonia. Quite possibly as a result of a very old man wishing to fulfill a dream by flying to and from Barbados; hence placing a significant burden on an age-weakened constitution. Long haul high altitude flying is physically stressful for all, in part due to hours breathing recycled, rarefied air pressurized to circa 8,000ft above sea level
That he undertook such an adventure at his age is to his credit and I very much hope he enjoyed this last hurrah of what seems to have been a thoroughly fulfilling life
His death will be added to the 100,000+ stats of those dying within 28 days of being infected with covid; but it seems probable that he’s one of the unknown number amongst them who died from a co-morbidity rather than covid itself
Good post Drone.
Who gave Captain Tom covid is none of our business gamble.
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Drone knows.
The one thing that has been obvious from the start is that the Covid death figures have been ramped up. I don’t know how many have died from it, along with the rest of the general public – but it’s nowhere near 100k
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Like I said on the Captain Tom thread when he was admitted to Hospital
I fear that this can only end up with him being marked down as another Covid death statistic.
Am sure there are some with Covid who actually died of other things, Tank. However, there are also those who may not have shown signs of Covid and died without a post mortem. imo The important factor here is excess deaths. 2020 had the highest excess deaths since World War 2. ie There were 85,000 more deaths than you’d expect compared to the last 5 years average. Am sure some of that figure also actually died of other things, but it does show the effect this pandemic has had… And the 85,000 must have increased quite a bit over the last month. So I’d say more than 100k dying (if not “of”) “because” of Covid sadly IS a realistic figure.
Value Is EverythingWell Drone I had come to a similar conclusion myself that the pnemonia was probably the cause and that he died with covid rather than from it- but there is still that niggling doubt that he died from a mixture – a concoction if you will of both or that the new viral condition exacerbated his immune system into overload. What made them check him suddenly for covid ? Or was this done initially when the pneumonia took hold. The symptoms of covid can be debilitating – a high temperature to contend with plus the blockage and inflammation in the lungs would stress his corporal strength tremendously.
As for none of our business gamble, I can only say I hope a doctor with similar credentials as doctor Shipman does not come a rat tat tatting at the new Ginger abode, sniffing for opportunities.
With the angel of death we must not allow it wing space we must probe and dissect until we are completely sure – then release it into that void we will all experience, usually at least once in our lives.
As for other deaths caused by the overpowered covid concentrating NHS an interesting stat in Scotland was the one of 4000 extra deaths at home from cancer and heart disease. Roughly 2000 each. At first they thought this was a result of covid preoccupation, but in fact when they analyzed the figures the deaths of heart attack and cancer overall were around average for the time period, so the deaths at home were not indirectly linked to covid. Which begs the question should more people with these conditions be sent home or simply allowed to die at home.
I see someone pulled the plug on a freezer in Rotherham and loads of vaccines had to be binned
I did the same at work a long time ago with the ice cream freezer and got a right ticking off..
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To be honest I think too much focus is put on the number of deaths.
It’s a global pandemic, in pandemics – by definition – more people die than normal. Compared with other historic pandemics, thus far, the death figures are relatively low and certainly very small compared with the Spanish Flu a century ago.
I personally know individuals who are included in the COVID mortality statistics, who would still have died when they did, whether they tested positive or not, and I strongly suspect Captain Tom would fall into that category. The sad reality is most people his age would succumb to pneumonia, yes there are always exceptions but they really are exceptions.
It’s a sad fact of life that hospitals are not the best of places for the elderly because of the risks of them picking something nasty up. Certainly when I was working with the ambulance service, if we could possibly avoid taking an elderly person into hospital we would and we found most GP’s would back us up on that decision.
Conversely, I lost a cousin a fortnight ago and, although suffering co-morbidity, there is little doubt in my mind it was COVID that killed her.
Drone – yet another brilliant post, hitting the nail on the head, especially in relation to the long haul flight. I can’t recall ever going on a long haul flight and not having some respiratory issues afterwards and I was relatively healthy then.
I said “who gave Captain Tom covid is none of our business”, gamble.
ie If doctors and covid researchers need to know then fine. It’s just not our business. If it was Captain Tom’s grandchild that gave him the virus, personally I hope that grandchild does not find out – which would certainly happen if the public were told.Value Is EverythingNational heroes give over a proportion of their private lives, including their washing, to the eyes of a curious world
Agreed numbers dead through this pandemic is small compared to the past, Paul. However, to a large extent that is due to medical advances and restrictions. Had this same virus come about 100 (or just 50) years ago I feel sure the numbers would be similar to past pandemics.
Todays pandemic figures may be smaller than the past, but the figures are not insignificant in relation to today. Despite restrictions everywhere, hospitals were / are at breaking point all over the world. Figures should not be used to downplay the dangers.
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