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June 21, 2018 at 16:16 #1357780
Cheers lads.
I could have backed Cracksman for the Prince Of Wales at 6/4 but chose not to do so because I was still concerned about his Coronation Cup run. He may well have had a more feasible excuse but that didn’t mean he was the horse his one outstanding run suggested he might be.
If I can explain it better by saying simply that it excused him “Stinking the place out” but did not mean that it proved he was a 130 rated horse. It’s very different saying that it excused a poor effort compared to saying that he was hunky dory and on track for the Prince Of Wales. Obviously rejecting him at 6/4 meant that I didn’t feel 2/5 was value.
As a betting shop manager I saw loads of punters who would ONLY back odds-on shots. Not one of them ever made money over the long term but of course they got more winners than the average punter. I feel it is better to back early and get decent odds. I took the view that Cracksman was worth taking at 4/1 for the King George QE II at 4/1 and for The Arc at 5/1, bearing in mind contenders for those races and a probable below average level overall in those races. I was concerned for both bets after the Coronation Cup and am even more concerned now.
I reckon the July race is probably a write off now, with ground probably going to be similar. If it’s soft in the Arc, he could be a player.
Mostly I am wrong, sometimes I am correct, but it seems that I cannot be correct, without being accused of being smug, lucky or somehow bizarrely being correct in the wrong manner to satisfy some people. Sometimes I am said not to make clear what I am saying and then when trying to simplify it, I am accused of being condescending. Some people forget that we are addressing a wide range of people when we write and think that the writing is aimed solely at them when they are reading it. We cannot cater for everyone’s sensitivities when we write. I find it bizarre that people get upset on behalf of jockey’s, trainers and horses but I view trainers and jockeys as people doing a job and feel it is correct to criticise errors when people make them, and horses cannot read
I hope Cracksman bounces back to something like it and can prove himself in the Arc especially. If he comes good on soft ground, will people actually accept that he’s best with plenty cut?
Who knows? I’ll be watching him and staying away from the keyboard.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
June 21, 2018 at 16:33 #1357784That’s a lovely thing to do Steve, fundraising for the cats
hope it goes well for you and your wife
You are always welcome here on TRF whenever of if even you want to return at any stage
all the best….Blackbeard to conquer the World
June 21, 2018 at 17:00 #1357795fundraising for the cats
Fundraising for bird killers.
Good luck, Steve.
Value Is EverythingJune 23, 2018 at 00:05 #1358102Thanks for the kind words Nathan.
I am still learning about what it takes to find funds and how expensive some of the equipment is. I never knew that it costs £4000 for ONE pen that can be a temporary home for ONE cat or a mother cat with her kittens. You can keep more than one kitten at a time because they are more sociable when they are young.
At one of the meetings it was decided to try to push for funds for a new pen but the problem then was a lack of fosterers, so my wife and I offered to be in the fostering pool.
Some people love cats and some people hate them, that will never change.
Hunting has been hard wired into cats brains since they ever walked the earth. It’s simply a case that a cat can never be sure that getting fed by humans is a guarantee or that it will continue until their day is up. People take cats on as pets and then dispose of them like rubbish a week later. Left to fend for itself, a cat with no hunting instinct is doomed to die.
Human beings who criticise cats for hunting clearly have no idea of our own heritage as ruthless hunters. It is said that we live three meals from a revolution and people should come down from their ivory towers and consider what they would be like if they didn’t have their sanitised, prepared cuts of meats neatly packed and had to go out to hunt their own food in an every man/woman for themselves environment instead. People may just find how ruthless and desperate they are capable of being themselves.
The taboo of cannibalism is breached when the desperation of hunger sets in. If it descended further, I have no doubt murders would be committed in the grim reality of certain starvation being the only other option.
we are the species of murder, rape, cruelty and we defecate on our planet from a high height. As a race we are clinically insane in our treatment of the planet and our fellow people, never mind the animals. We are fragile individuals but as a species we are like a virus, wiping out everything in our path. The “End Of Days” will be a horror story that I am glad I won’t live to witness.
Mother Earth? The poor old bitch has been raped and we’ll kill her when we are done with her.
On the bright side, I’ve had an OK Ascot this year.
Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.
June 23, 2018 at 01:58 #1358118You do take things so seriously, Steve.
Personally, I wish the cat population was a lot smaller for the good of our wild bird population. However, once a cat is born it is itself a living thing and – as long as it’s neutered – I applaud you helping them in any way possible, but please put a collar with a bell on every cat.
My point was that many new cat owners don’t realise what killers they are bringing to our community. The reason for cats killing birds is not their own hunger and nothing to do with ill-treatment by humans. It is to provide for or usually as a gift to their own family. In the wild a cat used to bring its young live/injured prey so they could learn to hunt/kill. Nowadays of course that family can be their owners. My neighbour’s well fed, well cared for cat had no kittens to feed, yet used to with regularity bring sometimes dead but just as often alive/injured birds, frogs and rodents indoors and drop them at her owner’s feet. Must have killed literally hundreds of wild birds in her lifetime. Robin, thrush, sparrow, blackbird, wren, starlings, field mice etc. It is of course only nature/natural, not their fault; but that’s unfortunately what a lot of cats do. The things you talk about humans doing is not natural, or at least hasn’t been for hundreds of years.
So if TRFers are wondering what they can do to kill our native wild bird population… own a cat!
As you might have guessed, I am an ex-RSPB member.Best of luck for the future to you and your wife.
P.S. Dogs forever.
Value Is EverythingJune 23, 2018 at 23:31 #1358380Dogs, you say eh Ginge.
Well, well, well, you old Cheshire Cat you
We all know you like to do a bit of bird spotting, here you are looking like the cat who got the cream and what’s that in your hand, did a little birdie give you her telephone number…? xBlackbeard to conquer the World
June 24, 2018 at 02:40 #1358387Mischief making again Nathan.
That was some time ago, is it Newbury? Not guilty your honour. You know what’s in my hand; a sheet full of horses names and percentage chances. The woman in the picture is walking behind me, never seen her before your Lordship. Besides, you know I’ve since got the cream elsewhere. The only phone number I need is Shirley’s.I asked her the other day
How can you lie there and think of England?
When you don’t even know who’s in the team.Value Is Everything -
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