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Maybe the people who don’t support Lydia prefer Clare Balding’s touchy feely interview with Kieron when he said he’d never stopped a horse in his life
PS. Kieron had a nice kitchen
Apparently the film crew had to come back the next day to finish the scene. After Take 31 they gave up as Kierans Kitchen floor was wet with Claire continually P*ssing herself at that response! Kieran did make Egg and chips for them all though!
This has been blown out of all proportion. AP rides very, very few ill-judged races. Those that think he does are idiots, he would not be Champion so many times if that were the case.
I"m an idiot then Ginge! Wichita Lineman was a brilliant ride but AP wouldn"t rate it as one of his top 10 because he always felt the horse would do what he did,thats what you call knowing your horses! On the other end of the scale was AP"s embarrasment at being made to look a fool by Denman,thats what you call not knowing your horses! Brilliant jockey who will never be a brilliant horseman,unlike Francome and Dunwoody who were both! As for winning Sports "Personality" of the year,i suggest he does a very quick course in PR,as the director of the show has apparently allocated him a 10 second slot! Hows he going to fill the remaining 7 secs?
On this occasion TAPK, you are talking like one.
People did not like it when AP rode Denman. They wanted Thomas, who unfortunately had fallen out of favour with Nicholls. That is not AP’s fault. Punters WANTED to blame AP after the fall. That despite everyone knowing Denman is a bold jumping front runner who can make the odd mistake. Like he did at Aintree in a very similar fall, yet who was on board that day? Answer Sam Thomas.Value Is EverythingHislop’s willingness to challenge and criticise is a breath of fresh air in a sport dominated by sycophantic hacks and broadcasters on the gravy train. Sometimes I agree with her and sometimes I don’t. If you really object to her views then don’t buy the newspaper she writes for or hit the off button on your TV.
Unfortunately for her, racing is patrician, old fashioned, inward looking, conservative and self interested. Anyone who dares challenge the status quo will be rounded upon. Thus she will find herself short of stories, sources and interviewees.
The "show us your medals" mentality before you may challenge is nonsense. It is like saying you cannot criticise a meal without being a chef, the police without having been a police officer or politicians without having been one. Sure jump jockeys are brave but so are racing drivers, rugby players, skiers, ice hockey players etc and they are not exempt.
The McCoy for BBC Sports Personality of the Year campaign is nauseating. Other than RFC marketing types eager for exposure for their minority sport on a channel with now minimal interest in horse racing, does anyone give a stuff who wins?
To me it is similar to the honours list. Back slapping amongst people who are rich and successful and well rewarded for what they do well. I don’t usually mind Balding but her campaigning for McCoy on BBC on Sunday was ridiculous.
McCoy should grow a thicker skin.
Interesting discussion and some good points made from all quarters.
Personally, I am probably in the minority in agreeing with Fist (way back on page 4).
I dont know if Timeform/Raceform have commented as such, but I thought GMOOH’s run was in the ‘not knocked about once his chance was gone’ category.Timeform Perspective:
"Get Me Out Of Here very much caught the eye…… taking a good hold held up and travelling smoothly for a long way, briefly asked for an effort 3 out but soon allowed to come home in his own time after the leaders quickened…."
"Briefly" being the word you might want to concentrate on.
This race qualified Get Me Out Of Here as a HORSE IN FOCUS (one to keep an eye on in future).
So you might think it was not only Lydia who thought it was not AP’s best ride.
Value Is EverythingOn this occasion TAPK, you are talking like one.
People did not like it when AP rode Denman. They wanted Thomas, who unfortunately had fallen out of favour with Nicholls. That is not AP’s fault. Punters WANTED to blame AP after the fall. That despite everyone knowing Denman is a bold jumping front runner who can make the odd mistake. Like he did at Aintree in a very similar fall, yet who was on board that day? Answer Sam Thomas.Bearing in mind that Denman has won over half of his 21 runs and the fact that Sam Thomas has won 4 times on him,you would have thought that AP could/should have won on him once out of the 3 times he rode him,particularly when he was 1/6 fav on one of them,yeh but that was the time Denman was giving AP a lesson in "Knowing your horse"!
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To me it is similar to the honours list. Back slapping amongst people who are rich and successful and well rewarded for what they do well.
It is very much like the honours list in so many ways, and it’s certainly not the show it once was, but it does have its moments; the lifetime achievement award presented to Bobby Robson was very special.
On this occasion TAPK, you are talking like one.
People did not like it when AP rode Denman. They wanted Thomas, who unfortunately had fallen out of favour with Nicholls. That is not AP’s fault. Punters WANTED to blame AP after the fall. That despite everyone knowing Denman is a bold jumping front runner who can make the odd mistake. Like he did at Aintree in a very similar fall, yet who was on board that day? Answer Sam Thomas.Bearing in mind that Denman has won over half of his 21 runs and the fact that Sam Thomas has won 4 times on him,you would have thought that AP could/should have won on him once out of the 3 times he rode him,particularly when he was 1/6 fav on one of them,yeh but that was the time Denman was giving AP a lesson in "Knowing your horse"!
What rubbish, keep digging TAPK.
Denman was unfit and made a mistake in the Aon. If you want to blame anyone, blame the horse.
AP rode a good race in the Gold Cup, doing better than many expected. Beaten by a better horse.
Nicholls blamed himsef for the Punchestown defeat. AP did exceptionally well to keep Denman in with a chance. Jumped badly left-handed. It is well known Denman wants a left-handed course. Thomas (or Walsh) would not have done any better in any of those three races.To blame AP for any of them is as stupid as blaming Walsh for Kauto Star’s Gold Cup defeat/fall.
Value Is EverythingWhat rubbish, keep digging TAPK.
I love to see a horse and Jockey in harmony Ginge,AP on Albertas Run in the Ryanair was poetry,he knows when Albert gets his conditions he can ask him to jump and run and the horse will respond! AP"s getting to know Denman in last years AON was like going on a blind date with a bird and finding out she has Ginger hair! SHOCKING!
You knew it was coming! 
One of the things that really gets my goat (among a long list) is people suggesting you need to be able to ride to comment on the performance of jockeys. Yes, I agree that the likes of Francome can sometimes add something of an insight the rest of us don’t have in certain circumstances but, generally speaking, if you watch enough racing you can become perfectly adept at running a critical eye over a jockeys performance, whether or not you’ve ever been within a hundred yards of a fetlock.
McCoy should go on air, give his side of it and let the matter rest.
Regarding his McManus connection. Last year he won a Champion Hurdle and a Grand National in those colours so I doubt he’s complaining too vociferously.
One of the things that really gets my goat (among a long list)
Get it off your chest,whats the long list?
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One of the things that really gets my goat (among a long list)
Get it off your chest,whats the long list?
I have no idea, TAPK, but you must appear on it at least half-a-dozen times!
One of the things that really gets my goat (among a long list)
Get it off your chest,whats the long list?
I have no idea, TAPK, but you must appear on it at least half-a-dozen times!
And thats a Dozen times less than you AJ!
I think the original poster is right to read a conspiracy into this.
Let’s look at the facts: Choc Thourteen is Kempton’s official face of jumps racing. Now we all know Kempton is the place where the Council of Fourteen hold their top secret meetings where they will never be spotted ie in the middle of the grandstand on racedays.
Yesterday I tried to infiltrate the citadel by impersonating Barry Dennis’s assistant. THEY knew I was coming, so ensured that Dennis wasn’t going to be there, so I could be turned away. How did they do this? Ensuring Dennis would be lieing low after the old 3-2 turnaround followed by staged handbags at twenty paces routine. It’s the oldest trick in the book.
Where did this happen? At McCoy’s club in Ralph Topping’s box.
I even tried to tell the gateman that I was Paul Struthers’ best friend to get in. He was having none of it – even Struthers himself isn’t allowed within spitting distance of an offical council member, as we found out on the Sky Sports debate.
Some very powerful forces are uniting to silence Lydia. You only have to read Choc Thourteen’s article to see that The Godfather of The Sleepy Mafia himself is being sweet-talked and brought onside.
I don’t think the council will be happy until Peter Naughton is presenting every Kempton evening meeting on RUK and giving out his ‘professional each-way bets’ for every race.
To Armchair Jockey (and quite e few others). I am amazed at the amount of vitriolic comment being aimed at AP.
Is this what Ms Hislop hoped would happen ? Aim at a big enough scalp and bask in the reflected glory of your naive supporters ? So Armchair or can I just call you R ?
If I am the only one who doesn’t know what happened why is it impossible to get a blow by blow account of the facts,ad verbatim as it were ? What is really getting up my nose here is that Ms Hislop has loaded the gun and left everyone else to fire the bullets and to my mind that is typical of the great majority of so-called journalists. Are you all in need of going to confession and declare that you are all anti AP because you got badly burned fingers on this nag,well-backed and well fancied,and ridden by the champion jockey ? Let us get this into perspective…every day of the week horses get poor rides or do not produce their normal standard of form by a long long way. On that basis the stewards should be in action many more times more than they are,and many more jockeys would be referred to the Jockey club. Yet,as I understand it,this race produced no action of any kind,no inquiry,and a big nothing from anyone in racing but the furore created by one journalist. This one race seems to have propelled our champion jockey into the Bradley and Fallon arena.
Has anyone considered that the horse might have had a pain somewhere or was going down with a virus? Horses are only human ! So why are we (the racing public) not demanding an investigation by the powers that be ? I would think it appropriate in the interests of the sport for an announcement (at the least) to be forthcoming on the matter,and for the owner and trainer to throw some light on the subject. Personally, win or lose,I have never in more than 50 years ‘talked through my pocket’.To Armchair Jockey (and quite e few others). I am amazed at the amount of vitriolic comment being aimed at AP.
Is this what Ms Hislop hoped would happen ? Aim at a big enough scalp and bask in the reflected glory of your naive supporters ? So Armchair or can I just call you R ?
If I am the only one who doesn’t know what happened why is it impossible to get a blow by blow account of the facts,ad verbatim as it were ? What is really getting up my nose here is that Ms Hislop has loaded the gun and left everyone else to fire the bullets and to my mind that is typical of the great majority of so-called journalists. Are you all in need of going to confession and declare that you are all anti AP because you got badly burned fingers on this nag,well-backed and well fancied,and ridden by the champion jockey ? Let us get this into perspective…every day of the week horses get poor rides or do not produce their normal standard of form by a long long way. On that basis the stewards should be in action many more times more than they are,and many more jockeys would be referred to the Jockey club. Yet,as I understand it,this race produced no action of any kind,no inquiry,and a big nothing from anyone in racing but the furore created by one journalist. This one race seems to have propelled our champion jockey into the Bradley and Fallon arena.
Has anyone considered that the horse might have had a pain somewhere or was going down with a virus? Horses are only human ! So why are we (the racing public) not demanding an investigation by the powers that be ? I would think it appropriate in the interests of the sport for an announcement (at the least) to be forthcoming on the matter,and for the owner and trainer to throw some light on the subject. Personally, win or lose,I have never in more than 50 years ‘talked through my pocket’.Neither am I talking out of my pocket, but the issue is not the ride given to GMOOH but McCoy’s reaction to comments on RUK. To mention Bradley or Fallon is absurd.
Hislop made her comments with no expectation of others "firing the bullets".The effect of McCoy’s future silence as far as RUK is concerned is an attempt to inhibit critical comment not just on one ride but future rides – CRITICISE ME AND I WON’T PLAY BALL. Truly pathetic!!
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