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Quote: from lollys mate on 7:45 pm on Jan. 19, 2007[br] I think it just proves my own theory, that if your (SIC) ethnic, you get extra privileges.<br> ÂÂÂ
<br>A predictable conclusion, but one which the Big Brother producers’ own incomprehension of how best to handle real or potential flashpoints of racism, from one series to the next, is bound to lead some people to draw.
The point has been made on another forum I frequent that Dennis Rodman escaped censure in a previous series of Celebrity Big Brother for his use of "honky" as a derogatory term for some of the Caucasians in the house that year.
Inevitably this will again lead a few to believe Endemol does not act even-handedly in such instances; but only Endemol genuinely has the means to say whether this was because it didn’t regard it (or know it to be) as racist as equivalent terms for black or Asian people, or can offer another explanation (say, it’d make good telly to let Rodman carry on, or it was intimidated by him).
LM’s assertion that class is an issue may arguably have been given a little substance by Jade and Shilpa’s contretemps over the need (or not) for elocution lessons, but I don’t think so, to be honest. Simply by dint of her celebrity over the last few years, Jade will have spent time in the presence of countless other well-known people with far higher watermarks of upbringing, money, prospects and connections than herself, without feeling the need to carve into them for what they are.
gc<br>
Jeremy Grayson. Son of immigrant. Adoptive father of two. Metadata librarian. Freelance point-to-point / horse racing writer, analyst and commentator wonk. Loves music, buses, cats, the BBC Micro, ale. Advocate of CBT, PACE and therapeutic parenting. Aspergers.
Forgive me for being cynical but believe its all a big fix amongst all of them just to get the ratings up !!
Think about it gc.
You seem to say that jade has met other people who are as posh as Shilpa.
But has she lived with them? This is BB’s whole game. Throw a mixed bunch of so-called celebs into a house and start some rift, that will hopefully explode into what happened last week.
Of to Les Miserables now. Will continue in the morning.
Goodnight.
Quote: from lollys mate on 5:09 pm on Jan. 20, 2007[br] Think about it gc.
You seem to say that jade has met other people who are as posh as Shilpa.
But has she lived with them? <br>
<br>I’m not sure she has to have actually lived with any other such people for the point to be valid. Clearly little else is quite likely to represent the hyper-reality of the Big Brother house, but at the same time, it is fair to assume she will have spent sustained periods of time in the orbit of posher people / celebs, and probably enough time to have carved into them in the same way as she did Shilpa were it solely a matter of class… which I don’t personally think it is.
Other points of view are of course available.
gc<br>
(Edited by graysonscolumn at 5:23 pm on Jan. 20, 2007)
Jeremy Grayson. Son of immigrant. Adoptive father of two. Metadata librarian. Freelance point-to-point / horse racing writer, analyst and commentator wonk. Loves music, buses, cats, the BBC Micro, ale. Advocate of CBT, PACE and therapeutic parenting. Aspergers.
I can’t understand comments like "Most definitely bullying – but that happens all the time". It does indeed happen all the time. It shouldn’t. It certainly shouldn’t be allowed to happen without comment in such a public arena because that adds to it a veneer of acceptability.
Lolly’s Mate, you are right that bullying has happened before in BB but the answer, surely, is not to dismiss the criticism of this incident because it has been lent racial overtones but to use it to emphasise the unacceptability of bullying in general.
This whole BB thing is is what’s called around here "a f*rt in a bucket". But even that might be over-rating it.
Tete Rouge.<br> You to are right in that bullying of any form is unacceptable. My point is that this type of thing has happened in all of the past BB’s, but the first time it has been against an ethnic person. The race card was pulled out and now the news is world wide. Why is that?
Even after Shilpa regarded it as a non racial attack!
Quote: from Tete Rouge on 6:04 pm on Jan. 20, 2007[br]I can’t understand comments like "Most definitely bullying – but that happens all the time".  It does indeed happen all the time.  It shouldn’t.  It certainly shouldn’t be allowed to happen without comment in such a public arena because that adds to it a veneer of acceptability.  <br>
<br>Hear hear. I found Mesh’s assertions to that effect nothing about which to smile, and her insinuation that there is a definite correlation between intelligence and propensity for racist outbursts strikes me as a bit simplistic as well. I’m not sure Nick Griffin could be regarded as unintelligent by any study of his upbringing and education, yet his politics are plain enough to see.
gc<br>
Jeremy Grayson. Son of immigrant. Adoptive father of two. Metadata librarian. Freelance point-to-point / horse racing writer, analyst and commentator wonk. Loves music, buses, cats, the BBC Micro, ale. Advocate of CBT, PACE and therapeutic parenting. Aspergers.
The race card was pulled out and now the news is world wide. Why is that?
If you were a professional footballer and told an opponent that he was "a slaphead b*****d
", nothing would happen.If you called him a "black b*****d
", you’d be in a lot of trouble.Our society has decided to draw a line between what is acceptable and what isn’t.
Using race as a vehicle to attack someone is on the "unacceptable" side of the line.
… whether or not race is the primary motivation for the attack.
Steve
Dirks a boring Yank………………
Shilpas a boring Paki……………
One will offend and one wont.
Why?
To be honest, LM, I think the answer to that is reasonably simple – "Yank" is not a universally derogatory term.
If Dirk had been of Italian descent and had been called a "boring wop", or of Spanish descent and been called a "boring spic", that would have been equally as offensive as calling Shilpa a "boring Paki". All are used in a racist context.
Shilpas a boring Paki……………
One will offend and one wont.
Also – as well as being a sign of immense ignorance and stupidity – the word "Paki" applied to an Indian is a racist word rather than an abbreviation of "Pakistani".
Steve
Muslims do get preferential treatment and we see it everyday and its ignored.
Take the actual act of worship for example .. The CofE have had a huge debate about allowing gays to be Bishops and women to be Vicars .. the moralisers siding with the progressive view that its wrong to bar women from positions in authority in the Church simply because they are women. While, in the same country, at the same time, women arent even allowed in Mosques.
They should get their own house in order before they start complaining about being offended by everyone.
I haven’t quite figured out how DJ’s post is relevant, in any event.
Shilpa Shetty is Indian. India is around 80% Hindu and only around 13% Muslim. <br>
Not relevant ??
If a minority, any minority does not have to abide by the law, or are exempt from big parts of it then they are getting preferential treatment. It is illegal in this country to exclude people from activities because of their race, sex or sexual orientation .. unless its a woman that wants to go into a Mosque and then its okay.
I dont think Shilpa was racially abused, I think its a matter of people looking on and trying to get special treatment for her because of her skin colour.
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