- This topic has 659 replies, 109 voices, and was last updated 11 years, 4 months ago by
.
- Posts
- Total Posts 102
So at Goodwood in a 15 runner race at 5f, number 15 will be on the stands side rail if the stalls are stands side
Think that the overseas punters will be scratching their heads esp in the US as most are around a bend..
- Total Posts 17716
On the July Course, AFAIK Stall 1 would be nearest the stands rail as Newmarket is classed as a Right Handed course and therefore, in theory, nearest the inside rail. To use AP’s example, the stall numbering would be opposite to 2010 on both Near Side and Far Side strips.
For clarification, all loop courses are being termed Right Handed too (Salisbury, Windsor, Goodwood).
Isn’t the ‘inside rail’ naturally to the field’s right on RH courses?
Only 2 meetings on the go at the time but the BHA allow the 3.35 at Cheltenham to be run at exactly the same time as the 3.45 at Wolves.
Good to know everything is being done to maximise levy, wonder if Paul Struthers considered it made "perfect sense" to allow it to happen again.
Give them a chance, they only advertised the post of Chief Clash Preventions Officer about 12 months ago.
They have to sift through the applications, mark the apptitude tests and go through all the interview rounds first…before someone’s son or daughter is selected as the best candidate for the job.
- Total Posts 17716
Letting the last race go off ten minutes late obviously wasn’t clever, but which genius suggested moving five races back, rather than just one forward, in the first place? Surely an early finish would have reduced the effect of the setting sun and given staff more time to re-apply the frost covers?
- Total Posts 17716
They needed to accommodate the Channel 4 coverage with the perceived highlights of the card, so moving the last two races forward clearly wasn’t thought to be an option.
I’d imagine that the sort of people who care about the 3.35 at Cheltenham couldn’t give a stuff about the 3.45 at Wolverhampton & vice versa.
And considering that in the bookmakers, Cheltenham is on Turf TV & Wolverhampton on SIS, they’d both be shown full screen in any case.
Letting the last race go off ten minutes late obviously wasn’t clever, but which genius suggested moving five races back, rather than just one forward, in the first place? Surely an early finish would have reduced the effect of the setting sun and given staff more time to re-apply the frost covers?
I don’t believe races CAN be moved forward, and for fairly obvious reasons.
I’d imagine that the sort of people who care about the 3.35 at Cheltenham couldn’t give a stuff about the 3.45 at Wolverhampton & vice versa.
And considering that in the bookmakers, Cheltenham is on Turf TV & Wolverhampton on SIS, they’d both be shown full screen in any case.
Think you’re missing the point.
I’d imagine that the sort of people who care about the 3.35 at Cheltenham couldn’t give a stuff about the 3.45 at Wolverhampton & vice versa.
And considering that in the bookmakers, Cheltenham is on Turf TV & Wolverhampton on SIS, they’d both be shown full screen in any case.
Think you’re missing the point.
I think too many of racing’s supporters like to make mountains out of molehills.
I don’t believe races CAN be moved forward, and for fairly obvious reasons.
Eh? Is this another of your clever-dick replies?
Surely:
Move forwrard: for the unitiated ‘why aren’t they off yet’
Move backwards: for the unitiated ‘didn’t get me bet on, and it won’
‘- Total Posts 17716
Moving races forward – in this case from 3.35 to 3.00 – could very well lead to some people not being able to place their bets (it’s probably what Rory meant, just not what he said; it’s impossible to deliver an opinion in suitably patronising fashion if you just speak plainly). But a situation such as this has the potential to work both ways.
A regular in my local Ladbrokes, for instance, generally has sizeable bets on short-priced favourites and was readying himself for a £1000 play on Spirit River in the opener. As he likes to watch races he has a financial interest in, and had plans beyond 12:30, he refrained from betting at all and left the shop.
Common sense has to prevail and given that changes in conditions, jockey bookings and weight can’t always be communicated to early-morning bettors, moving one uncompetitive race was surely preferable to shifting five.
Even though it was apparently at the behest of C4, Cheltenham/Racing did the perfectly sensible thing with the rejigging of the race times, whether they should have had those off times in the first place due to problems again with the sun is another matter.
What it needed was some brain at BHA headquarters to delay the start of the Wolves race till the Cheltenham race was over, not exactly rocket science.
Where’s Jamie Stier when you need him, he’s instrumental in wiping away years of history by reversing stall numbers for the benefit of these mythical overseas punters and owners and their levy but when something as simple as races clashing here occur, something that will definitely affect home punters and levy, bugger all is done.Unless they change the Rules no races can ever jump before the scheduled off time so can never be brought forward.
At Exeter the other day if they had abandoned the chases there would have been two long gaps of an hour.
Clearly sponsors weren’t prepared to move to last non televised race for X Country hence only alternative under current rules was to move others back or have an hour gap and only three races on C4.
Should have just delayed Wolves.- Total Posts 17716
I don’t believe races CAN be moved forward, and for fairly obvious reasons.
Eh? Is this another of your clever-dick replies?
Surely:
Move forwrard: for the unitiated ‘why aren’t they off yet’
Move backwards: for the unitiated ‘didn’t get me bet on, and it won’
‘If everyone used computers like us there would be no problem but some still depend on the daily’s to get their info so letting them know races are being brought forward is pretty much impossible.
There is however no excuse I can think off for not chaging times if one or 2 meeting have fallen foul of the westher the day before. The Schedule could be changed easily everywhere in the country within hours including public transport although trains could be a problem.
The cost in revenue must be massive when they get it wrong.
It’s happened to me where I have had a large bet on a horse and fancy one in the next race as well. Not wanting to over commit yourself you wait until the result is in……….by that time it is often too late and you end up not betting. Must be thousands of people every day in the same boat.
Maybe the answer would be to put a deadline on passing courses fit for racingh. Most that go past the overnight stage being doubtful are usually off anyway. Could be the best of two evils all round.
Could also be a stupid post I’m sure someone will keep me right
What it needed was some brain at BHA headquarters to delay the start of the Wolves race till the Cheltenham race was over.
Indeed not, and the fact that failing light wouldn’t have been an issue for doing so with Wolverhampton, given the floodlights available at Dunstall Park, makes the failure to grasp that particular nettle all the more disappointing. As a twilight fixture, it’s not as if the floodlights wouldn’t have already been in situ and on the verge of being deployed anyway.
gc
Jeremy Grayson. Son of immigrant. Adoptive father of two. Metadata librarian. Freelance point-to-point / horse racing writer, analyst and commentator wonk. Loves music, buses, cats, the BBC Micro, ale. Advocate of CBT, PACE and therapeutic parenting. Aspergers.
‘
- You must be logged in to reply to this topic.