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" …. thousands of scots who where going crazy, throwing all kinds, screaming in our faces"
This extract from report 3 that Jim posted suggests that Rangers’ official press release has a touch of spin about it.
I thought the game itself was interesting,and yet further evidence that genuine football skill will usually win. Some of the Russian team’s movement, especially in the second half, was on a par with Arsenal’s and easily of Premiership quality.
By contrast, although it is sometimes suggested that Celtic and Rangers should be allowed to join the Premiership, on last night’s evidence it is difficult to see Rangers surviving a season there. A good defence is important, but only Derby of last season’s Premiership sides looked as poor attack-wise.
Grays , how did you ever win poster of the year?
whats the forum clock got to do with anything? are you TRF’s poster of the year happy with the clock and the general shape of the forum? if you are then carry on.
lets get back to the football now…
Do you think that if our game with Dundee Utd was psotponed that we may have head a better chance of beating Zenit? Dick Advocaat, Graham Roberts, almost all the ITV pundits and even Carlos Cuellar thinks we would have, surely they are better judges than ourselves?
We now have to play on Saturday and then on Monday and still a scottish cup final to play in as well as our final game against Aberdeen on the 22nd May, would any other team in world football be told to do this? I very much doubt it.
George nice of you to join in the thread but the EPL is over hyped I’m afraid and there are many teams that are always also rans just like in the SPL, Rangers or Celtic would finish in the top 10 easily and given the money that’s is available to them had they played in the EPL either or both would probably win it withing five years.
Grays , how did you ever win poster of the year?
It was a freebie with Coco Pops – collect eight tokens from special packs, and send off to become poster of the year on a popular racing forum. I believe Talking Horses is doing the same with Shreddies this summer.
are you TRF’s poster of the year happy with the clock
I’m not distressed by it as yet. However, I expect I will be if the day ever arrives that I forget how to look at a time and then add one hour to it.
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(NB all very flippant by my standards, I know, but maybe the mood needs lightening a little on this thread… it’s been an odd sort of day.)
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Jim
The quality of the Premiership cannot be over-estimated – no coincidence that the European club cup next Wednesday in Moscow is being contested between our two most successful clubs and that two others were in the final stages.
When the Premiership season starts in August, and subject to correction if my memory is faulty, only 14 clubs can be regarded as established Premiership teams (which I define as having been there for at least the last six seasons): Arsenal, Aston Villa, Blackburn, Bolton, Chelsea, Everton, Fulham, Liverpool, Manchester City, Manchester United, Middlesborough, Newcastle, Portsmouth and Tottenham Hotspur. And three (arguably four if one includes Newcastle) came very close to losing that status this season. It is hugely competitive and staying there is no easy matter.
Quite a few sides get there and go straight down (Birmingham and Derby most recently). Others, like Reading, do quite well for the first season, but as the established Premiership clubs get to know their strengths and weaknesses they do less well and are often relegated.
What distinguishes the Premiership from any other national league, including Scotland’s, is the relentless pace and (for want of a better word) physicality), coupled with – even among the lesser sides – no little skill. Scoring goals against Premiership sides is very hard (no one should be fooled into thinking differently by Middlesborough’s eight last Saturday, achieved in very particular circumstances). From what I have seen of Rangers (solely in European matches) by Premiership standards they are slow, and have no cutting edge when attacking. Having seen your defence in action, I am sure that the clubs in the bottom half of the Premiership would have trouble scoring against them – but drawing against such clubs and being beaten by the classier sides is a sure path to relegation.
Of course things might be different if Rangers and Celtic had the benefit of the income that even ordinary Premiership clubs enjoy from television (apparently the hapless Derby received the lowest for the last season, and that was nearly £30m). But with the side Rangers currently has, I’m afraid you’d have a very disappointing experience if you suddenly found yourselves in the Premiership.
If anyone’s interested in football atall there’s a Scotland v England legends game on live ITV4 right now.
thank you
marb, I don’t cause trouble all I can do is try to get the reports as correct as I can by using facts, it’s others that are filled with hate that report what they want to believe, NO I repeat NO team in world football has angels as fans so there will be some trouble at high profile games for whatever the reason, Manchester and Uefa just couldn’t handle how big a fan base Rangers have, there are players playing in some premiership teams that are actually Rangers supporters at heart, I don’t condone trouble at any sport but why do those that are jealous of another teams success wish to post the dirt, let’s keep it to football talk but that’s a bit difficult because those few don’t want to say anything nice, it happens and we all get on with it, Rangers have apologised to all in manchester though I don’t see many wanting to report that do I?
I’m just trying to keep things right – facts will always win over fiction/lies, if people have a problem with the truth then that’s nothing to do with me.
I’m proud to be a Rangers man as is every Rangers fan but you will always get those that can’t handle defeats, drink and whatever else causes them to lose the plot.
Methinks Mr Rangers doth protest too much.
He’s hurting badly.
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Not hurting whatsoever although you probably hope I am but how can I be hurting?, gutted we never won but that’s football and we move on, there will be many more trophies in the years ahead as well as defeats but we are still the worlds most successful club and we are bound to lose sometime.
I’m merely giving an insight to those that don’t understand the ins and outs of Scottish football, that’s if they are interested, which going by some posts on here they probably aren’t, but I do my best to educate.
all I’ve really seen in here is people from dublin and anti Rangers people so it is my duty to stick up for the club I love when fiction is posted on forums, this is not the only forum I post on.
I know some of you are laying the bait and teasing but when it comes to football and horse racing I try to speak seriously about both sports and if anyone is taking it as just fun well maybe it would be better if you didn’t add to the thread, we should be talking about football not incidents outside the game.
The duff big screen was a huge co)k-up and somebody should get their butt kicked for that. But that shouldn’t cloud the fact that there was trouble throughout the day. Someone I know from Manchester said that some offices workers in the city were sent home early because gangs of p*ss*d and not- so- p*sse$ fans were chanting "F)c? off you English b*star*s" and the like; not conducive to doing business on the telephone. (I don’t think he meant it was the Zenit fans either!).
Cans were wedged in the tram lines causing services to be disrupted and many fans who brought their own beer down with them and were shi@-faced on arrival were denied access to pubs (and consquently pub lavatories.) They emptied their bladders in public up against walls.
He told me more but you get the picture.
Scottish fans have, deservedly, a good international reputation and I hope that the episode in Manchester was down simply to a portion of Rangers fans being total hand-shandy merchants. But the anti-English chants hours before the kick-off suggest it may be a more national thing than that.
For such a great country to have such a seemingly large chip on its shoulder regarding England is such a shame. The Rangers fans seemed to be a prism through which that chip showed through.Fair points there insomniac, there’s a big debate going on on the Rangers forum and most are blaming those few fans that made the trip to Manchester for mainly for a huge drinking binge as the main culprits, after all is said and done there weren’t really that many arrests and to be honest here it was our NINETEENTH game in europe this season and this was the only game that had trouble at it.
On one of your points about Scotland/English rivalry, out of all Scottish teams Rangers would be the team most associated with being pro England if you believe the media up here. I wonder if anyone could understand what the Russians were chanting
do you think they might have been chanting anti england slogans? who knows eh?the screen scenario had a lot to do with the behavior in Manchester but it can’t be all blamed on that, there were far too may fans that found it easy to travel down the road to Manchester, things may have been different had the final taken place in Holland.
My main point in this long thread was to hope that we would talk about the actual game itself but alas that appears to have went by the wayside as that part of the argument doesn’t appeal to anyone other than myself I suppose.
I expect the Russians were chanting ‘Two-nil, Two-nil, Two-nil’ and ‘We’re gonnae win the Cup, we’re gonnae win the Cup’.
Very poor behaviour by the Gers but they are not the only British club to let themselves down in recent years.
If only my lot could actually qualify for Europe in the first place. I’d be happy to go on the rampage in Lithuania if we could just qualify!!!
The way I see it and my mate was there, was that you had a huge crowd of people drinking from early in the morning, anticipating the game. There would have been hooligans amongst the crowd, no doubt, but that is the same with all big clubs.
The general feeling amongst the fans who had seen the TV go off just before the kick off must have been one of anger, and fueled by a days drinking that feeling of anger has spilled onto the streets, and of the police who from almost every piece of footage I have seen on television have done everything wrong by going in heavy handed and several of them have felt the brunt of the maddening crowd.
IMO any big team, with those sort of numbers, and especially celtic would have done the exact same in a similar situation. Imagine 200,000 chelsea fans travelling to a city centre for a european cup final, drinking all day and the screen going off, and say that the same thing wouldnt have happened, I suppose they would have just went home and went to bed, yeah right! Celtic fans would have acted exactly the same as the shirt in their back does not stop them being from the exact same demographic of the population, the opinions of a few people who make a differentiation between the two just come across as ridiculous to me..
The police have acted disgracefully IMO, the amount of footage of them beating lone people in the street for the apparent sake of it, just because of the team they support is disgraceful. I think it is people quick to tar rangers with the hooligans brush have seemed to ignore the actions of the police or have said "well the police have been attacked too so they have a free ticket to just go out and bash anyone they fancy regardless" .
There seems to be some real stereotyping going on here, and if we are to look at things stereotypically then a team’s entire support of hooligans (as seems to be the common percerption on here) has went to a hooligan city, to await their team playing in the home ground of a team of hooligans and have hooliganised a city in the National home of hooliganism.
I was born a rangers fan, and have not been their strongest supporter, just through lack of interest in football generally and more interest in horse racing. But yesterday was just a culmination of several factors which IMO would have provoked a simialr response from several other teams, not least their main rivals.
It is an unfortunate side effect of football, alcohol, bad major event planning and facilities, a rowdy attituide and bad policing on the day,
Fair points lads and thanks Bulwark for a very good post I was hoping more in this thread would understand instead of trying to score points.
I’m still a bit saddened that we never really got around to talking about the football itself as to be honest I’m still on a bit of a high that we got to the final and I still maintain that things may have been different had we got the time to prepare properly.
I’m still a bit saddened that we never really got around to talking about the football itself ………..
Jimbo, I’ve already told you – the game was shite and there is nothing more to discuss on the subject.
do you think they might have been chanting anti england slogans? who knows eh?
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