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Thought the horse wasn’t travelling that well for most of the race and it would have been a terrific ride to get it up.
I watched the race too and he’s made a couple of jumping errors and got a bit behind but the jockey has brought him there with a perfectly timed run.
He wasn’t far beind the leader at the 3rd last looked certain to win at the last but the leader pulled out that little bit more and held on.
He rode the horse almost identically to the way he was ridden the time before……….to instructions and you can’t ask for more than that.
As far as Ruby is concerned it was a maiden hurdle and these horses do make mistakes like his mount did…….. but he had a stone in hand of the second and was never in any danger of losing the race.
I disagree either Jockey rode a particulary bad race but I do understand where you are coming from even if I don’t agree with it. I told my own jockey when we went for a touch many years ago to take it up at the second last and kick for home. I was terrified that he would be beaten by making a mistake at the last and not have time to recover……….he told me later he only did as I asked as he could have won on the horse riding him from anywhere and went on to explain something to me after the race.
What he pointed out to me made a lot of sense.Horses love to race and most will go better when they have something to race against. If like Ruby did you make a mistake they will still pick up and go after the horse in front. If however you are leading and make a mistake when leading the horse may not find as much with nothing to race with and can often be caught flat footed.
That is why a lot of jockeys like to come late as even the best horses do idle when they hit the front.
I think you should try and be a bit more understanding of race riding and stop complaining without any substance to your claims. You are getting stuck into very good jockeys who don’t deserve it IMO.
i wont pretend to know anywhere near as much as everyone else on here when it comes to reading the rides in the races but i thought it was a race that could have been won with a different ride – i didnt back it tho, i laid it in running but really thought it could have won with a different ride – wish it had of won as it made me feel cocky about betting in running and i made a couple of shocking bets in the next race
I watched the race too and he’s made a couple of jumping errors and got a bit behind but the jockey has brought him there with a perfectly timed run.
He wasn’t far beind the leader at the 3rd last looked certain to win at the last but the leader pulled out that little bit more and held on.
He rode the horse almost identically to the way he was ridden the time before……….to instructions and you can’t ask for more than that.
As far as Ruby is concerned it was a maiden hurdle and these horses do make mistakes like his mount did…….. but he had a stone in hand of the second and was never in any danger of losing the race.
I disagree either Jockey rode a particulary bad race but I do understand where you are coming from even if I don’t agree with it. I told my own jockey when we went for a touch many years ago to take it up at the second last and kick for home. I was terrified that he would be beaten by making a mistake at the last and not have time to recover……….he told me later he only did as I asked as he could have won on the horse riding him from anywhere and went on to explain something to me after the race.
What he pointed out to me made a lot of sense.Horses love to race and most will go better when they have something to race against. If like Ruby did you make a mistake they will still pick up and go after the horse in front. If however you are leading and make a mistake when leading the horse may not find as much with nothing to race with and can often be caught flat footed.
That is why a lot of jockeys like to come late as even the best horses do idle when they hit the front.
I think you should try and be a bit more understanding of race riding and stop complaining without any substance to your claims. You are getting stuck into very good jockeys who don’t deserve it IMO.
Lol Fist,
Do you ever read what you write? You should try reading back some of what you post because it might make you smile
In one breath you’re telling the original poster that you understand where he is coming from, and yet in the next breath you’re telling him to be more understanding of race riding, to stop complaining without any substance to his claims, and that he is getting stuck into very good jockeys who don’t deserve it. I thought you understood where he was coming from
I wish I understood you sometimes mate
Mike
ps: you know I’m only winding you up – you bite too easy
The horse was plenty close enough at the last if good enough. Nothing wrong with Carberry’s ride.
Would it be an identical ride to the one he gave the horse last Saturday.Personally I’d say the horse is no great shakes.
Ruby was lucky 3 times today coming late..I watched the race too and he’s made a couple of jumping errors and got a bit behind but the jockey has brought him there with a perfectly timed run.
He wasn’t far beind the leader at the 3rd last looked certain to win at the last but the leader pulled out that little bit more and held on.
He rode the horse almost identically to the way he was ridden the time before……….to instructions and you can’t ask for more than that.
As far as Ruby is concerned it was a maiden hurdle and these horses do make mistakes like his mount did…….. but he had a stone in hand of the second and was never in any danger of losing the race.
I disagree either Jockey rode a particulary bad race but I do understand where you are coming from even if I don’t agree with it. I told my own jockey when we went for a touch many years ago to take it up at the second last and kick for home. I was terrified that he would be beaten by making a mistake at the last and not have time to recover……….he told me later he only did as I asked as he could have won on the horse riding him from anywhere and went on to explain something to me after the race.
What he pointed out to me made a lot of sense.Horses love to race and most will go better when they have something to race against. If like Ruby did you make a mistake they will still pick up and go after the horse in front. If however you are leading and make a mistake when leading the horse may not find as much with nothing to race with and can often be caught flat footed.
That is why a lot of jockeys like to come late as even the best horses do idle when they hit the front.
I think you should try and be a bit more understanding of race riding and stop complaining without any substance to your claims. You are getting stuck into very good jockeys who don’t deserve it IMO.
Lol Fist,
Do you ever read what you write? You should try reading back some of what you post because it might make you smile
In one breath you’re telling the original poster that you understand where he is coming from, and yet in the next breath you’re telling him to be more understanding of race riding, to stop complaining without any substance to his claims, and that he is getting stuck into very good jockeys who don’t deserve it. I thought you understood where he was coming from
I wish I understood you sometimes mate
Mike
ps: you know I’m only winding you up – you bite too easy
I think I understood what I said, I think I did what was needed and I said I am not being sure what I said about understanding what I said I thought I said anyway……..hope that clears it up
Would it be an identical ride to the one he gave the horse last Saturday.Personally I’d say the horse is no great shakes.
Ruby was lucky 3 times today coming late..only 3
I think when a horse is long odds on people tend to look at the race differently and can be more critical……..had the other horse been 1/3 and the 2nd been 20/1 most of us would be saying he was unlucky not to have won.
food for thought!
I havent seen the race, but the problem as I see it, is that the media and the public give a little too much credit (and silly tags like genius) to those that spring late rather than those that cooly dictate the pace throughout the race
I think this appeals to the somewhat more show offy egocentric riders who think they are "characters"
Give me Steve Cauthen anyday
I havent seen the race, but the problem as I see it, is that the media and the public give a little too much credit (and silly tags like genius) to those that spring late rather than those that cooly dictate the pace throughout the race
I think this appeals to the somewhat more show offy egocentric riders who think they are "characters"
Give me Steve Cauthen anyday
I wouldn’t fancy Steve Cauthen over jumps Clive
– though I know what you mean, probably the best judge of pace (especially from the front) I’ve ever seen.Mike
Would it be an identical ride to the one he gave the horse last Saturday.Personally I’d say the horse is no great shakes.
Ruby was lucky 3 times today coming late..only 3
I think when a horse is long odds on people tend to look at the race differently and can be more critical……..had the other horse been 1/3 and the 2nd been 20/1 most of us would be saying he was unlucky not to have won.
food for thought!
Completely agree with that Fist. It’s simply because the horse was long odds on and was expected to win that some people think he was given too much to do. But like you say, if it was the 20/1 shot who was held up (and the 1/3 shot in front) and only failed to get up by a nostril, people would be saying that the fav nearly got collared by an inspired ride on the second.
Food for thought indeed.
Mike
I think jockeys get blamed far too often when a punter loses a bet. Very occasionally there is a case to be made for slating a jockey after a bad ride but the majority of the times it wasnt even the jockeys fault,
I didnt see the AJ Martin horse but everyone knows AJ Martin isnt exactly the punters best friend. If you back an AJ Martin horse at 1/3 then you are dancing with the devil, regardless of how strong the form is or the horses chance appears to be.
There’s a story which is one of Jonjos favourites. I think you can find it on video somewhere on U-tube.
This is a true story about a stable lad who was riding ouit one morning at Jckdaw Cstle.
As the lad approched the gallops he was having a bit of a job keeping a hold of the horse who was acting up.
Jonjo shouted at the lad "Give him his head and just let him go" The lad set off up the gallops followed by alls who was just within earshot.
Jonjo followed them and the other horses in a jeep to the top of the gallops.
As he stepped out of the Jeep he heard the young lady ask the lad "What was he shouting at" the young lad replied " He told me to give the horse his head"
The young girl looked at the young man and said "What the fook would they know about riding horses they are always in the jeep"
This thread in a lot of ways reminds me of that story
BTW Happy Valentines day to all
Fist of Fury wrote:
What he pointed out to me made a lot of sense.Horses love to race and most will go better when they have something to race against. If like Ruby did you make a mistake they will still pick up and go after the horse in front. If however you are leading and make a mistake when leading the horse may not find as much with nothing to race with and can often be caught flat footed.
Fis t of Fury can you explain then why Martin Pipe, for many years sent his horses out to make the running time and time and time and time again with fantastic success for many years if horses like something to race against.
I think your jockey had you away there Fist of Fury.
And before you ask, I know little about riding horses or horse pysche.
LOL
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