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    Avatar photoNathan Hughes
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    Energumene to beat edwardstone with authority and maybe get the credit he deserves for once :good:

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    Alan King isn’t expecting a hard race
    He has already lined up the Game Spirit after this one before Cheltenham
    I know we want to see these clashes but if I were King I’d pull Edwardstone in favour of the other race if the Irish horse turned up.
    Look what happened to Shishkin. I think you get one hit at Energumene then you need a decent holiday

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    Tromos won the Clarence House in 1978 – it was over 6f in those days, though.

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    Nathan, King told Nick Luck the horse is very difficult to handle at home if he doesn’t get enough racing; I too thought those races a very tall order as prep for the Queen Mother Champion Chase. He must have a pretty high degree of confidence, as he has not entered Edwardstone in the Ryanair, a race he suggested earlier this season that might be attractive, so even Energumene bolting up at the DRF isn’t going to faze him.

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    King has a very good horse in his hands so should be confident
    Energumene isn’t an ordinary horse though.
    I’d imagine Deontay Wilder is difficult to handle if he doesn’t get enough boxing but taking on Tyson Fury two too many times set him back. He’s only had one fight in a year and a half since and that was over in round one.
    I guess they can have a re-think about the Game Spirit after the Clarence House if its a brutal encounter.

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    After Kempton, King said that Edwardstone would bypass Ascot and go straight to the Game Spirit. Not sure that that plan has changed.

    Mullins mentioned the DRF for Energumene; looks like the Clarence House is going to cut up completely.

    “ maybe get the credit he deserves for once”

    FF- Energumene is currently Timeform’s top rated chaser at any distance and widely regarded in the media as one of the best around. Not sure how much more credit he can get.

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    King confirming Edwardstone for this

    https://www.attheraces.com/news/2023/January/08/king-mapping-out-festival-route-for-edwardstone

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    If they have a war in this I might be tempted to look at something else bigger for the Champion

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    He’s certainly unbackable, but I’m definitely going this day now, and really looking forward to seeing Energumene in the flesh again

    Edwardstone is a smashing horse, but Energumene should surely be too strong

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    Just the 3 runners for this.

    British racing is truly on its arse!

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    Or trainers understand the Handicap system better than ever?

    Unless you have a serious chance of winning, what is the point of potentially ruining your horse’s mark by running in these races?

    Bit surprised a few really moderate horses haven’t been entered in the speculative hope of easy place money, but that would hardly add to the spectacle.

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    Then that’s a flaw of the handicapping system Ian!

    If horses entered in the race are rated 150-160ish and they finish within 10 or 15 lengths of the first and second rated 160/170 rated pair then the handicapper surely leaves them alone.

    You could probably even form a reasonable enough argument that some horses could have their rating dropped after running in this. Making it all the more beneficial.

    But my main point was more to do with the fact only one other trainer wants to run their horse against the 2 short priced runners as they don’t feel it’s worthwhile to run for such poor prize money. Double or treble the money for the winnings and places and see the interest/runners increase.

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    “Double or treble the money for the winnings and places and see the interest/runners increase.”

    They spent the budget on Jermaine Jenas..

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    Ascot Saturday card under threat due to frost.

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    Concern I’d have is (if its on) that Edwardstone takes a tumble again early doors and Energuermene has a walkover. Not a massive concern, I’ve got no interest in the race for a bet anyway but it’ll be a bit farcical if you’ve got that happening on ITV in one of your flagship races in the NH season.

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    I know this is a daft question but I just wondered if people are scared to run horses in these races for place money because if one of the favourites falls like Edwardstone did last time and they, say, come second albeit a long way back it might ruin their handicap rating forever. I’ve been watching old Desert Orchid races recently where top class horses and handicappers all competed against each other.Is it all because Cheltenham dominates everything?

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