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Well done with Churchill Darren what a great price you got for him.
Raymo Isomer ran a blinder and reversed the form with Cunco today, Frankuus just wasn’t quite up to such illustrious company on the day and interesting to see where they go from here.I did pick up on another filly who had been placed 3rd to Frankel’s flying filly Fair Eva at Haydock last time out Miss Infinity won the class 4 Novice Stakes 1.50 at Ayr today.
Looks as though the Frankel babes are beating progressive colts and fillies which will be interesting to watch out for as the season progresses, but still early days yet as we have only seen a handful of his progeny to date. Jac Things turn out best for those who make the best of how things turn out...Not at all mate. On the contrary, if 3 of his first 5 runners make it to Royal Ascot within a couple of weeks of making their debuts and all of them finish within a length or two of the winner, I would say that he is well on his way to doing exactly what I have said he will. There are so many more Frankel’s to come and many of them will be 7f+ horses. Of course Galileo’s will as well but I would say that comparatively so far he is doing rather well. Of course I would love to have seen him have a winner but I have seen nothing to make me change my mind about his stallion prospects this week. Time will of course tell.
"this perfect mix of poetry and destruction, this glory of rhythm, power and majesty: the undisputed champion of the world!!!"
Not at all mate. On the contrary, if 3 of his first 5 runners make it to Royal Ascot within a couple of weeks of making their debuts and all of them finish within a length or two of the winner, I would say that he is well on his way to doing exactly what I have said he will. There are so many more Frankel’s to come and many of them will be 7f+ horses. Of course Galileo’s will as well but I would say that comparatively so far he is doing rather well. Of course I would love to have seen him have a winner but I have seen nothing to make me change my mind about his stallion prospects this week. Time will of course tell.
True but the only thing I take issue with is on that thread I would say it’s disrepectful to Galileo to say that Frankel’s progeny will redefine how we rate horses.
Frankel might have been better on the track but as things stand Galileo is the better stallion and will be until proven otherwise.
I mean the way I see it Frankel, outstanding horse that he was, he is basically coming off a clean slate and having to start again as a stallion. The start was extremely promising but he hasn’t backed it up at Royal Ascot and that might be harsh but if you want to judge him by the highest possible standards by saying that he’s going to change the map of horse racing, then you have to take the negatives as well.
You are absolutely right and sorry if I sounded disrespectful to Galileo. I wasn’t meaning to – he is, after all, the sire to the greatest horse of all time so by definition he is the greatest sire of all time!!
You are right – I have mouthed off big time so I have set the highest standards and they weren’t quite met this week. Not quite. But it’s early days. I try not to be big, bold and brash ALL the time. I was about Frankel and that was right. I was about that awful French colt a couple of years that I have scrubbed from my brain and was totally wrong
I have about The Gurkha (the jury is still out for me) and I am about Frankel the sire.Ectot – that was it. Bloody donkey!!!!
"this perfect mix of poetry and destruction, this glory of rhythm, power and majesty: the undisputed champion of the world!!!"
Galileo already has two 2yo stakes winners, Cuff and Churchill. Aidan brings his Galileos on gently, Churchill (and others) have been given educational first runs, whereas I think the Frankels have been primed to win their debuts.
Frankel had as good, if not better, a book of mares as Galileo in 2013, as good a book of mares as he will ever get, even if he turns out to be a super-sire. So this crop is as good as it is going to get for Frankel, unlike other first season sires who will get better books if they have early success. He has an even playing field with Galileo with this crop, even has a possible slight advantage, the pressure is on him to deliver. His books of mares can only go downhill (as they already have for his three books since 2013).I would just like to add that I do it all out of intense excitement and positivity about a horse that I loved because he was trained by a trainer that I loved who was a genius in a sport that I love. If I sound too arrogant or over-the-top at times, I apologise.
"this perfect mix of poetry and destruction, this glory of rhythm, power and majesty: the undisputed champion of the world!!!"
No not at all Joni. I like your positive attitude about the horse but as Sunspangled said Frankel better hit the ground running because it won’t get any easier from here.
Indeed the pressure is on Sunspangled (though I doubt he feels it). Like I say, he hasn’t got off to a bad start though has he?
"this perfect mix of poetry and destruction, this glory of rhythm, power and majesty: the undisputed champion of the world!!!"
Btw I think for Ballydoyle you might as well read “Galileo”
So much of their success comes from this horse that they must guard him like a hawk. God forbid something might happen to him like what happened with Montjeu.
I think a large part of his success is his soundness and temperament which has translated to his progeny.
Zoffany had 3 Royal Ascot winners in his first crop. Anyone still talking about him now?
Hopefully, a few more losers might put the brakes on the Frankel hype machine. I know it’s a different world these days but I can’t believe that back in the 70’s everyone was jumping up and down whenever Mill Reef and Brigadier Gerard sired any sort of winner.
Well the Frankel two year olds all havent run yet so we will see…but Chruchill looks a champion so they will have to be extra special! Chruchill is definitely a superstar.
Zoffany had 3 Royal Ascot winners in his first crop. Anyone still talking about him now?
Hopefully, a few more losers might put the brakes on the Frankel hype machine. I know it’s a different world these days but I can’t believe that back in the 70’s everyone was jumping up and down whenever Mill Reef and Brigadier Gerard sired any sort of winner.
Stilvi do you remember those days?
Why do you say “hopefully” Stilvi? Do you want him to fail? I know there is hype (or excitement I prefer to call it) but it is understandable surely? I mean YOU backed Queen Kindly even though she only won a little maiden at Catterick so you must be buying it a little yourself no?
"this perfect mix of poetry and destruction, this glory of rhythm, power and majesty: the undisputed champion of the world!!!"
Zoffany has four 3yo stakes winners, he’s not doing too badly with a very moderate first book of mares. And contrary to Frankel, his books will improve (have already improved), his results should get better with better books. Based on his first book of mares, Frankel’s 2yo results should equal, surpass even, Galileo’s. Indeed, on pedigree and having raced predominantly as a miler, Frankel should be a better sire of 2yos than Galileo.
Personally, it will have no effect on me if he succeeds or fails. I just believe it would be better if people had a little reality check and if a few defeats is the only way that is going to happen then so be it.
I like to think I judge all horses on their merits, or at least try to. Bletchley was my number one hope and I added Queen Kindly as back-up on the day. Both impressed on debut and it didn’t particularly matter to me that Queen Kindly had won at Catterick. If anything I was more taken by her dam than sire.
I think Frankel’s main disadvantage is that he won’t have the support of Coolmore. They will send unproven/weaker mares to him, and sell off the progeny/mares in foal and make lots of money from him, but they won’t send their best mares to him, not when Australia is the heir apparent. It’s no coincidence that Coolmore have stood the leading sire for 26 years or more. Not only do they have a great band of broodmares (getting stronger all the time), but they know how to manage a stallion. I also don’t think it’s a coincidence that they sent Churchill to take on the two Frankels, they’ve never sent a top colt to the Chesham before.
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