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Fists, what are you doing backing Hurricane Fly at
any
price, if you don’t think it can win?
Are you backing it
just
in case you are wrong about the horse? If that’s your MO, then why not simply back everything you think can’t win that’s above 50 on BetFair?
What happened to the man who made a stand and was shouting "Binocular" from every rooftop in early 2008? The man who was prepared to back-up his judgement/hunch to the exclusion of everything else??
Does a bookmaker have your sphericals in a jam-jar on his mantle-piece since 11th March this year?
I backed HF because he’s the biggest certainty on earth not to win a Champion Hudle IMO and I quite enjoy winning if that’s ok with you.
When I backed Binocular EW last season I got all prices from 25/1 down to 8/1 as part of a 3 prong attack along with Master Minded at 6/4 and Kauto Star at 7’s and 5’s
All Binocular had to do was get into the 3 and I was home and dry. The horse owes me nothing and yes I still think he’s the best around. That doesn’t mean I should be stupid enough to
I don’t have a Binocular this year floating about at a huge price so one has to adapt.
So far I have backed Denman at 8/1 which will look tremendous value after tomorrow hopefully. kauto is far too short at 5/2 with so long to go IMO. I also backed Katchit EW 40/1 which I think is a sporting EW bet.
I backed Kauto at 2/1 for the King George before the Gold Cup plus I backed him in a double with Binocular for next year Champion Hurdle.
I would say that 2/1 is much better value than the 5/2 on offer for the Gold Cup. I advised everyone to grab it but did they? probaly not!!!
I have also backed Binocular with Master Minded in a double for next year.
The on Saturday I had my only serious bet since Cheltenham on Charlie Mann’s in the Bumper and shoved the lot onto Binocular for the CH.
Now I have backed Hurrcane Fly for the reason’s given.
I’ve cleaned up at Cheltenham both years since joining this forum and posted every big bet I have had. So gimme a bit of credit for knowing what I am doing.
Quite the opposite my local bookie’s spherical’s shrivelled up round about the time Binny won at Aintree. They fell of completely when Kauto Star won the Gold Cup and he might just top himself on Boxing Day
If you can’t debate sensibly, I suggest you change not your name but consider changing forums.
DO ME A FAVOUR, come back as "Fist of fury 2k9" because you have
turned into a right "Limp Aristo" since "Carvills" opened you up like a can
of worms! You are beginning to look a right T**T! Binocular, Muirhead,
Hurricane fly, who are you going to back next week SUBLIMITY!!!!Glad you brought that up as I want to clear the air on that. Carv as I told him before I left in a PM had absolutely nothing to do with my departure.
Do you think for one minute that bothered me? Obviously you don’t know me mate.
Mind you bringing it up will win you a lot of friends and expose you as a complete A**HOLE!!!
On a serious note only a fool when backing AP would put all his eggs into one basket in a race like the Champion Hurdle. There were at least 10 well fancied horses for the race last season and a 22/1 shot won it. I backed Binocular and Crack Away Jack EW and Sizing Europe as a saver.
I came out of the race a small fortune in front and you are telling me I am some kind of idiot.
I am having a similar gamble this year and hopefully it will pay off.
So you GFY Fool!!!!
"Go back 1 lousy page and read my post. I think I said I don’t lay horses but with HF I would make an exception."
Apologies, Fists, I confess, I did miss that.
Colin
Fists, forgive me for sticking my oar in a again, but
"I backed HF because he’s the biggest certainty on earth not to win a Champion Hudle IMO and I quite enjoy winning if that’s ok with you."
…………..I’m not sure I understand that sentence???
Colin
Fists, forgive me for sticking my oar in a again, but
"I backed HF because he’s the biggest certainty on earth not to win a Champion Hudle IMO and I quite enjoy winning if that’s ok with you."
…………..I’m not sure I understand that sentence???
Colin
Hurricane Fly is a well talked about and well regarded individual. Perhaps too well regarded and that is what I am banking on.
I doubt if we will see the horse this side of the water before March. I have no doubt he could win a couple of decent races against Irish opposition before March. Knowing the bookies they will have him favourite before you can blink an eye.
I just feel the horse has limitations and doesn’t look the part to me, when it comes to CH standard.
That’s what I am banking on if it happens that way then I have the option to lay him. So I have backed him to lay him later and if he loses like I think he will then I win.
Of course if he proves me wrong and comes over and stuffs everything we have then I have a great bet at 7’s and obviously have a rethink.
If they both end up unbeaten, it would be nice to think we could end up with a double billing:-
Kauto Star V Denman & Binocular V Hurricane Fly.
Wouldn’t be much 6’s and 7s going about but what a meeting it would be then.
Fists, please expand on what limitations you feel Hurricane Fly has, and in what way he doesn’t look the part.
I find these assertions peculiar, given he hasn’t been off the bridle in any of his Irish Hurdle runs to date, and the form of every one of his hurdles outings has been franked in no uncertain terms.
[Aristo]
I backed Binocular and Crack Away Jack EW and Sizing Europe as a saver.
I came out of the race a small fortune in front and you are telling me I am some kind of idiot.The above tells you that quite clearly!
Are you kidding me?
His form was franked by Donnas Palm who beat a filled of near useless novice when 1/7 favourite. The horse who ran second was tailed of in a poxy bumber in it’s next race.
The 3rd was his unfancied stable companion CV who was said by half this forum to be unfit as there wasn’t a coin for him.
That form is so bad at the level we are discussing you would be much better throwing away your form book and concentrate on the horse himself.
His victory over Go Native has to be questioned as the Go Native we seen at Cheltenham looked a totally different kettle of fish.
You could look at it like this: A very fit Hurricane Fly beats an unfit Cousin Vinny by 2 1/2 lengths getting 3 lbs. Go Native beats a fully fit Cousin Vinny 4 1/2 lengths at levels.
You could drive a bus through the form IMO.
If you had said to me the horse himslf was sending you vibes that he is an exceptional hurdler, that I could accept but franked form? Not in my book it isn’t.
I think he’s a decent horse but I simply don’t get the right vibes from him.
He is to "Flatty" for my liking and right now he’s the school bully pushing around kids who don’t have his turn of foot.I grant you he does look to have ability beyond the current rank he’s raced in and might well continue to win races in Ireland at their upper level. In other words if racing against horses like Jered Hardy Eustace, Sublimity, Ebadiyan, Brave Inca etc he could continue winning.
However as those animals found out horses like Punjabi, Binocular and Celestial Halo are a million miles apart from them.
Hurricane Fly is a gangly looking individual and gives me the impression he won’t have anything to offer if tested by the pace these horses travel. If think if anything he’s too speedy for his own good and too dependant on the pace being within his criteria where his can quicken of it at a lower level.
I think if and when he meets Binocular or Celestial halo on a going day he will think he’s gone into orbit on the way round and his main asset (Finishing speed) won’t be there for him.
Too fast, too flashy and lacks substance IMO.
[Aristo]
I backed Binocular and Crack Away Jack EW and Sizing Europe as a saver.
I came out of the race a small fortune in front and you are telling me I am some kind of idiot.The above tells you that quite clearly!
Is that it? Idiot? I can handle that but it seems to me all you are here for is to throw insults about.
You have added a big ziltch to this discussion so far.
Perhaps there’s another forum somewhere that appreciates people like you. Try http://www.boringbrainlessfarts.com where you will feel more at home.
Only horse im interested in next year is Dunguib for whatever race he runs in. This horse looked an absolute machine……
Fists, you are clueless.
The race you use to prop-up your crack-pot theorising was his first outing of the season, which was run at a crawl and developed into a sprint from the last hurdle. You wrap an unsustainable assumption around the race, saying that HF was "very fit" (which you have zero evidence to back-up), and decide that this tells you all you need to know about the horse’s level. You then make the straw-man argument that Go Native
must
have been miles below his best when
humped
by the Mullins horse at Leopardstown, because of what he did at Cheltenham. You might, then, want to look for a few pre-Cheltenham quotes from Noel Meade, who stated quite categorically that he expected his horse to have no chance of turning the form around with Hurricane Fly in the Supreme Novices.
I’m delighted that you have returned to the forum, but for the sake of your credibility, you might want to consider withdrawing from this particular thread. Your contribution as regards Hurricane Fly has been…well….laughable, frankly.
Nothing wrong with a good laugh mate
Of course your right I have no hard evidence that Hurricane Fly was very fit on that first run. I am assuming he was far more forward than Cousin Vinny as the market suggested that.
Luckily I can afford the luxury of being wrong and if Hurricane Fly gubs Go Native in the same devastating style I won’t exactly be unhappy about it. I bet they will make him 4/1 fav for the champion if he does.
I don’t doubt what you say for one minute about Noele Meade saying that but he hasn’t half changed his tune. He is now mustard keen to take him on again. I am still wondering how good was Go native’s performance though. He was very impressive but would he have won if Alan King’s horse had been all but stopped at the last and had to be switched?
Whatever happened to Go Native that day in Ireland, when he stopped to nothing, isn’t clear. It coud be Hurricane Fly is everything you think he is or it could be Go Native simply ran below what he is capable of. I have a feeling it was more of the latter as the 3rd horse was way too close for comfort and he’s boat in comparison to the 2 in question.
When you pull one out and say "he’s the one" like you have and as I did with Binocular people are going to jump on you from a great height.
I admire the fact you are sticking to your guns and while I disagree for the reasons given of course I could easily be wrong.
I just hope the Go Native V Hurricane Fly race comes about at Punchestown as plan 3 comes into place.
I might back Go Native to cover the bet I had on Huricane Fly and no harm done if he wins. Then we can more or less forget any CH challenge from HF but if HF wins I won’t mind one bit.
My preference would be to see HF win and have the option what to do later once he takes a step up in class.
The preference should be just to have the bank on The Hurricane and sit back and watch him hack up Fists
Is that it? Idiot? I can handle that but it seems to me all you are here for is to throw insults about.
I believe in treating people the same way they treat me! Apart from the
utter garbage that comes out of your mouth, its the aggressive undertone
i dont like that starts the majority of your posts, most people on this forum tolerate your Bully boy style where as i dont! the thing is, i can see straight
through you and you dont like it when someone stands up to the man that can dish it out, but cant take it back! Keep your binoculars handy, because there"s a Hurricane coming!A fine piece of writing there Fist, most accurate and correct! I just get the feeling this Hurricane is going to cause some havoc!
Must be two GWILSON77’s on here.
Wouldn’t be that I have upset you son, would it?
You’re free to throw all the insults but persoanlly I find them childish and boring.
Could you want but do me a favour; Try and come up with just one sensible post containing something worth discussing.
Even if it’s why you think the new kid on the block Albert’s Run was beaten 50 lengths in the Gold Cup and what possed you, the guy with years of experience who knows a good horse when he sees one, to thnk he would win the Betfair.
Exactly how do you come to these conclusions?
Could you want but do me a favour; Try and come up with just one sensible post containing something worth discussing.
FIST, i am a fair and reasonable person who likes to praise those who
can put their money where their mouth is! I can also hold my own in discussing horses as i can in many other forms of life! I like a sense of humour like most people, but i cant stand a Bully and you boy come across as a big one, thats why i take no s**t from you! as far as your
hypocritical posts go you couldn"t lace my boots on horse racing knowledge you P***k!
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