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http://www.racingpost.com/news/horse-ra … 69274/top/
There’s a link to the RP news article about the running of Pittoni yesterday at Listowel. Unbelievably blatant. The market before the race tells the whole story.
http://www.racingpost.com/news/horse-ra … 69274/top/
Going to appeal the fine and ban seemingly!
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I think he’s right to appeal and has more than 2 legs to stand on in this case!, the Irish Authority should look harder to find people cheating in their sport because its clearly not Charles Byrnes and Pittoni
1) He is a regular "offender" imo.
2) He will win the appeal in Ireland. I’ve not seen the race – I don’t need to see the race.
3) The punishment is pathetic and shows why horse racing will forever lack credibility.
4) This type of thing is punished randomly.1) He is a regular "offender" imo.
2) He will win the appeal in Ireland.I’ve not seen the race – I don’t need to see the race.
3)The punishment is pathetic
and shows why horse racing will forever lack credibility.
4) This type of thing is punished randomly.
Jose
Bearing in mind point two, one wonders how you came to the conclusion in point three.
Rob
Impossible to form an opinion either way considering the horse is out of shot for 95% of the run in. Although it must have been bad if the Irish stewards took offence.
Will have a look at the exchange data when I get it.
Think he drifted out to around 6/1 on Betfair Cav, quite alarming really.
Everyone have a look at Pittoni’s maiden hurdle win at Punchestown. Methinks this was using the racecourse as a training ground gone wrong
1) He is a regular "offender" imo.
2) He will win the appeal in Ireland.I’ve not seen the race – I don’t need to see the race.
3)The punishment is pathetic
and shows why horse racing will forever lack credibility.
4) This type of thing is punished randomly.Jose
Bearing in mind point two, one wonders how you came to the conclusion in point three.
Rob
Because I’ve seen a few "blatant" ones that were picked up by the stewards in Ireland for the exact same offence in my time. They won their appeals as well.
If the stewards really feel this offence was committed – how is there not a full enquiry date set to review "betting patterns as well?" And how is a fine a sufficient punishment if they feel the trainer is responsible? And banning the horse for 42 days…. that always leaves me speechless.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/horse-r … 58860.html
Slightly before my time as it goes. Posted on another forum.
You can find Letatia on the ATR site.Worth watching.However I am still at a loss to understand the "using the race course to train your horses" rule. The big boys(Aidan) do it all the time."He will improve from that run" they say meaning he needed that run to bring him to readiness to win.If that is not using the race to train his horse I don’t know what is.
Charles has been stung a few times like this and rightly so…… but
There have been several similar cases this year (this week even) where the Turf Club have turned a blind eye and sat on their hands. There was a blatant example in one of the bumpers this week (horse running in familiar silks for a father/son combination), not to mention the horse prominent in the Arc betting who had a "nice spin" up the Curragh on his seasonal debut.
Why the inconsistency in handing out the sanctions? It seems to me there’s one set of rules for the big boys and then another for the likes of Byrnes.
There have been several similar cases this year (this week even) where the Turf Club have turned a blind eye and sat on their hands. There was a blatant example in one of the bumpers this week (horse running in familiar silks for a father/son combination), not to mention the horse prominent in the Arc betting who had a "nice spin" up the Curragh on his seasonal debut.
I thought I was alone in noticing that IC – good to see a man with your judgement agreeing with me. Very poor indeed imo.
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I agree with Cav when he says the horse was out of shot for a good part of the race but it looked very much like a case of "Don’t give him a hard race, win if you can"
Very annoying for those who backed him but to say he was stopped isn’t exactly true.
There seems to be two sets of rules in Ireland. If you are running a young hurdler or bumper horse it seens it’s ok not to put him into the race but ride a horse like Pitonni with tenderness becuase you know he’s in need of the race and it’s open season on your head.
Ok two wrongs don’t make a right and Pittoni clearly dropped himself out at halfway and his jockey did nothing to prevent that.
However the leader had gone far too fast and who’s to say Pittoni’s jockey thought "no need to panic they’ll come back to me" which they did.
By the time the turned in Pittoni had attached himself to the back of the field and was being quite vigourously ridden until he went out of shot.
Taking it he never raised his whip and just rode him out hands and heels those who backed him for a place do have a case to complain. That said I didn’t see so I don’t know but what I do know is his pilot only neeeded a glance to know he had no chance of actually winning.
If anyone thinks he could have won with a harder ride are most liely dead wrong.
This is the annoying part of racing too many people think if he had been right up there he would definitely have won when it’s more likely he would have blown up and finsihed further back than he did.
I sympathise with Charles Byrne and I am pretty sure he is being truthful when he says the horse wasn’t stopped but by the looks of it he’s been done because his jockey never knocked 10 bells out of the horse in the closing stages.
Byrne said he was happy with the ride so from that you have to think he his jockey rode to instruction so he should pay the fine and get on with it or if he rode against instruction he should sack the jockey.
Nobody should have sympathy for Charles Byrnes. Admiration for his chutzpah, perhaps, but certainly not sympathy.
The precedent was set in the Take A Stroll incident – you get banned, appeal and most of the time it gets turned over.
The horse prominent in the Arc betting isn’t the only time that a large yard with good horses has trained on the racecourse http://www.attheraces.com/VideoConsole/ … 09_02_1825 for Enchanted Forest’s debut run at Gowran Park.
The excellent Pat Keane touched on this subject in The Examiner a while back.
The horse was in view, on ATR pictures, for approximately 124 sec of the 195.92 sec race. It was in view for just about all of the penultimate 1f but out of view for the final 1f. The leader might have gone too fast (though it still finished third). The winner was always close up in the main group and was at the head of it at halfway. In marked contrast to Pittoni.
I am delighted that the performance of "the horse prominent in the Arc betting" on its reappearance is now being viewed as I believe it should always have been. Unbelieveably, there were plenty around who saw nothing wrong with it at the time and even suggested that it proved the horse was no good at 10f.
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