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My father is convinced that DC will win the Champion Hurdle, but he refuses to say its because he is like Rooster Booster, but i think many people fancy him just because of that fact.
I couldnt have him at 5/1 let alone 9/4. The form of the Greatwood is dodgy IMO. He was visually impressive but what did he beat that day? The only other winner to come out of that race was Verasi. His main rival that day (Sweet Wake) stopped as if he had been shot, he must have a breathing problem.
That race cut up badly when the ground seemed softer than the official description.
He beat Hardy next time when i considered that to be one of Conor’s worst riding moments. It was so tactical that i think that race can be forgotten.
He then went onto beat a less than 100% Straw bear, and not particualrly well. Both horses jumped the last as slow as each other, DC just looked slower the way he jumped, IMO. I can’t see Straw Bear getting within 5lengths of the principles and i don’t think Detroit City will beat SB as easilly as he beat him the other day.
I don’t know what will win this years renewal but i cannot see DC winning it………… if he does, i won’t have another bet in the festival.
why make promises you wont keep!!<br>im in the detroit city fan because he keeps on winning, he doesnt do anything spectacular, but he has guts and i honestly think if he gets his head infront in the champion he will be incredibly difficult to get past. every time richard johnson gets off him he says he still had more to give. <br>everyone always says when looking for a festival horse, its very important to have cheltenham form. what other horse in the line up has a 100% record at cheltenham?<br>the only thing that concerns me is his lack of experience in comparison to the seasoned irish horses. if he makes a mess of the last at cheltenham he will have to be a fair few lengths clear win!
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Quote: from Stormont on 7:12 pm on Feb. 6, 2007[br]My father is convinced that DC will win the Champion Hurdle, but he refuses to say its because he is like Rooster Booster, but i think many people fancy him just because of that fact.
I couldnt have him at 5/1 let alone 9/4. The form of the Greatwood is dodgy IMO. He was visually impressive but what did he beat that day? The only other winner to come out of that race was Verasi. His main rival that day (Sweet Wake) stopped as if he had been shot, he must have a breathing problem.
That race cut up badly when the ground seemed softer than the official description.
He beat Hardy next time when i considered that to be one of Conor’s worst riding moments. It was so tactical that i think that race can be forgotten.
He then went onto beat a less than 100% Straw bear, and not particualrly well. Both horses jumped the last as slow as each other, DC just looked slower the way he jumped, IMO. I can’t see Straw Bear getting within 5lengths of the principles and i don’t think Detroit City will beat SB as easilly as he beat him the other day.
I don’t know what will win this years renewal but i cannot see DC winning it………… if he does, i won’t have another bet in the festival.<br>
Stormont<br> I don´t think Detroit is any certainty for the Champion, but having never seen so much warped logic in a single post, I´m much more convinced than I was before I read it:biggrin: .
Quote: from dave 22 on 7:26 pm on Feb. 6, 2007[br]why make promises you wont keep!!<br>im in the detroit city fan because he keeps on winning, he doesnt do anything spectacular, but he has guts and i honestly think if he gets his head infront in the champion he will be incredibly difficult to get past. every time richard johnson gets off him he says he still had more to give. <br>everyone always says when looking for a festival horse, its very important to have cheltenham form. what other horse in the line up has a 100% record at cheltenham?<br>the only thing that concerns me is his lack of experience in comparison to the seasoned irish horses. if he makes a mess of the last at cheltenham he will have to be a fair few lengths clear win!<br>
I am a fan, too. This time last year i was raving about him in the Triumph, just wish i had waiting until after he was beaten at Warwick first time before i made my ante post bet.
I just can’t see him winning the Champion Hurdle. His form this year doesn’t suggest he will be winning it.
You say if he gets his head in front he is a hard horse to pass…… no harder to pass than Brave Inca or Hardy Eustace.
This years champion hurdle looks like being the strongest in some time and i don’t think DC has the experience or the class………yet.
His form doesn’t stand up this year in my opinion.
i dont understand how his form doesnt stand up. he can only win! <br>brave inca wont win imo. he has been drifting on the exchanges and i think last year was his year. the only horse im concerned about is hardy, but i think detroit city has his measure.
Wot no Kawagino? Seventh last year at 500-1 and sure to shorten up from the current 999-1 when he wins the totesport Trophy on Saturday. ;)
Quote: from dave 22 on 8:32 pm on Feb. 6, 2007[br]i dont understand how his form doesnt stand up. he can only win! <br>brave inca wont win imo. he has been drifting on the exchanges and i think last year was his year. the only horse im concerned about is hardy, but i think detroit city has his measure. <br>
I know he can only win but he has been winning much weaker races than the other main runners in the race.
So if a horse had won 8 listed races on the trot and then was stapping up to one of the biggest group one races you think it would win just because of all the ones next to its name?
And just because Brave Inca is drifting, he can’t win?
There are so many horses fancied for the rest, something at the head of the market has got to be ‘taken on’ and obviously the main layers on betfair think its him.
I’m not really a Mac’s Joy fan but i think he would be my selection at the moment, but i probably won’t have a bet in the race.
Getting bored of arguing DCs case now but will say for one last time, whilst he represents no value at current odds, this plucky street fighter remains the one horse in the line up who could be capable of greatness.
He dosses in front and will RELISH the strong gallop and test of stamina that a high-class Champion Hurdle will present.
Smithy is right, Detroit City is the one horse in the Champion Hurdle that is not an open book. He may well come up short but the races he has run in all season, haven’t been run in a fashion for him to run to a fancy rating. Like most horses, he’s been ridden to win races, not run to fancy ratings.
Detroit City keeps on winning yet he hasn’t had one race run to suit him yet this season. He’ll run to a higher mark in the Champion than he has done at any time this season. Whether or not that is good enough to win the Champion we’ll find out in a few weeks time.
He and Hardy Eustace should be battling it out for favouritism IMO.
Macs joy definitely goes for the red mills as expected. He’ll be my bet for champion this year.. If he’s going to win it, it has to be this year.. I think DC will finish ahead of HE again though.
Anyone got anyone views on how the race will pan out? Hardy to lead from the front with DC and BI in behind MJ stalking the three? I’d like to see DC and HE take each other on for the lead cos both jocks will know if the other gets a soft lead they’re going to be difficult to peg back.
I’m not sure if DC will have enough pace early to get cmpetitive for the lead. Remember in the Ces he got shuffled back because he couldnt quite go the early gallop, well, that was my opinion anyway.
Hardy should go off in front at a strong gallop and try and grind it out. Brave Inca just behind him and i think Mac’s Joy will be settled further back this year. I think his main asset is his turn of foot. If i was having a bet it would be him too, but i wouldn’t want to see him hitting the front too soon, think he needs to come fast and late.
If Brave Inca is in front at the last will challenging jocks pull wide of him, so he doesn’t get the chance to fight everything off? we all know he can idle in front if he cannot see another horse.
I thought that was why Macs joy lost last year because geraghty waited too long. I would go for the front earlier on macs joy and put the race to bed, I think if you leave him too long he runs out of steam and gets outbattled.
I’m not so sure, i don’t think he likes being in front too long, in most races it wouldnt matter quite so much but with Brave Inca and Hardy Eustace coming to challenge, if either get upsides jumping the last they would be long odds on to win IMO.
The way i see it, they are going to go off very fast this year (faster than normal, i think). and horses coming late will be advantaged.
Another thing…….. can we question his stamina at Cheltenham over an extended? I realise some may laugh a these comments but last year my first opinion after the race was that Mac’s Joy was just out stayed, not out battled or out classed.
Most of his good form is over 2miles on flat tracks, i think you need to stay 2 1/2 miles to be able to always see out the trip in the Champion Hurdle. Mac’s Joy showed he didn’t stay that trip at Aintree one year.
So, just a question. Can we question his stamina?
I would say yes, but then if he wins the red mills, i’d say no!!
I’d slightly disagree with trackside as I don’t think he should go that early. Last year Geraghty waited until the last to try and go past Brave Inca, he went two out at Punchestown and the race was over by the final flight. I always think once passed BI is a beaten horse, its just getting past him thats the hard part. In fact thats true of all the market principals.
I just feel that many are looking into that Punchestown form, when, in my opinion, Brave Inca was finished for the year. He didn’t run his usual true race there and it was the end of a busy season for him.
I think if MJ took it up approaching the last (i think Barry may try and go wide of Hardy/Brave Inca) he may just get home in front, but he isn’t the sort of horse that will pull away (not at cheltenham, anyway). Going too early will mean the others will probably come back to him on the line.
think Barry should give him the sort of ride Eddie gave Mastership today :biggrin:
firstly macs joy isnt good enough to win the champion imo. secondly i dont think there will be a very fast pace because the 2 champions hardy won were when he dictated an even good gallop rather than a fast one. so if no one takes on hrdy, i dont think it will be a silly pace, and the horses sitting in just behind him will benefit, as well as hardy. the first 2 for me are hardy and detroit, not sure which way round! and brave inca in 3rd
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