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    Hurricane fly

    wins for the 26th time and those who never lose faith in the horse could have had 9’s in running.What a day to be at Leopardstown.Wow! No chance of winning at Cheltenham though,’Jezki’ proving frustrating now!

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    Hurricane fly

    wins for the 26th time and those who never lose faith in the horse could have had 9’s in running.What a day to be at Leopardstown.Wow! No chance of winning at Cheltenham though,’Jezki’ proving frustrating now!

    Bookies are starting to take Hurricane Fly seriously though. All the double figure prices have gone and my assertion that 20/1 on The Fly was the best value left a while ago, is at least proved sound logic.

    I never warmed to Jezki last year and it is taking more of a leap of faith from his fans to see him come good in the Champion Hurdle. He’s got plenty to prove for me and I think 9/2, as he is with one firm, is a joke price.

    I’ll lay him all day.

    Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.

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    Hurricane fly

    wins for the 26th time and those who never lose faith in the horse could have had 9’s in running.What a day to be at Leopardstown.Wow! No chance of winning at Cheltenham though,’

    Jezki’ proving frustrating now!

    Only with McCoy on and Harrington is going through another quiet period.

    Makes enough last hurdle mistakes does AP. Probably beaten then but we’ll never know.

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    Hurricane fly

    wins for the 26th time and those who never lose faith in the horse could have had 9’s in running.What a day to be at Leopardstown.Wow! No chance of winning at Cheltenham though,’

    Jezki’ proving frustrating now!

    Only with McCoy on and Harrington is going through another quiet period.

    Makes enough last hurdle mistakes does AP. Probably beaten then but we’ll never know.

    I reckon Hurricane Fly had Jezki covered. He had closed him down and McCoy was getting after Jezki quite seriously before they reached the final flight. It looked to me that Hurricane Fly kept on pretty well from the final flight. The way it has gone between the two this season Jezki would probably have assumed that this was what was supposed to happen anyway.

    Sometimes jockeys get on particularly well with a horse but I doubt McCoy is causing the horse to lose races. The stable have had two winners this month from 20 runners, which is quiet compared to some but the 10% strike rate is higher than they had during February, March and April of last year. Jezki was one of only 2 winners for the Harrington stable in March last year, from 30 runners, so it might not be a case of simply believing that they will be firing on all cylinders when the tapes go up for the first race at this year’s festival.

    The extra worry is whether Hurricane Fly has two horses ahead of him in Faugheen and The New One, whom Jezki has yet to encounter this season. If that

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    the case then the reigning champion will have a fair bit on his plate, regardless of who is on his back.

    Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.

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    AP is 3 from 6 on Jezki. Geraghty 5 from 5. AP rode two poor races on Jezki last season, and today didn’t quite seem to make his mind up one way or the other. If you think your pacemaker ain’t going fast enough, not much point racing upsides him – you’re as well getting on with it properly.

    Hard to see from the ATR replay the extent of the last flight error – it looked pretty serious. Whether AP was in any way to blame for it, who knows?

    It does seem to confirm, to me, at least, that Jezki is no better than he was last season, and that does not look good enough to win another CH, unless the ground and a jockey change make a major difference.

    Arctic Fire looks as though he’ll be well suited by the hill, and with TNO short of pace and possibly ailing, we look set for a couple of outsiders perhaps following Faugheen home.

    As for the charade from the normally no-nonsense Ruby as to what he’ll ride, it’s time to say, at least, that unless something goes wrong with the favourite, that’s the one he’ll ride. I’m sure the Fly’s connections won’t expect anything else.

    Hurricane Fly is a fantastic animal whose achievements will live long after him and after many of us. But perhaps his biggest claim to fame is that he is the greatest course/ground specialist in history.

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    Hurricane fly

    wins for the 26th time and those who never lose faith in the horse could have had 9’s in running.What a day to be at Leopardstown.Wow! No chance of winning at Cheltenham though,’Jezki’ proving frustrating now!

    I was one of the lucky ones there Gord and have no hesitation is saying today was the most enjoyable day’s racing I’ve attended. In Un De Sceaux and the special Hurricane Fly there were too outstanding performances, performances that put a smile on your face and gave you a feeling of all being well in the world :)

    Hurricane Fly is a vastly different horse these days to when he was younger. He used to be a buzzy sort but he needs waking up nowadays but he didn’t half come alive when he landed at the back of the second last.

    In my time following racing, only Kauto Star’s final brace of Grade 1’s has made the hair stand up on my neck like Hurricane Fly can.

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    At the last Jezki obviously thought "I’m not going into battle with this ****** again. If I belt the last AP will go easy on me and I’ll trounce the old t*at again come March" :wink:

    But seriously, great to see the old boy win again and if the ground turns out to be soft at Cheltenham then he still has a decent chance. Becoming one of my all time faves :D

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    AP is 3 from 6 on Jezki. Geraghty 5 from 5. AP rode two poor races on Jezki last season, and today didn’t quite seem to make his mind up one way or the other.

    I make it 3 from 7 for McCoy on Jezki Joe.

    Any stats need to be put into perspective though, if they are to have true meaning.

    Barry Geraghty rode Jezki in his maiden and other early hurdle races and it’s surely easier to run up wins in that sphere than when trying to do the same in grade ones and championship races.

    If you look at McCoy’s four defeats on Jezki, they

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    came at Leopardstown and all four races were won by Hurricane Fly. Jezki was second three times and without his last flight mistake yesterday he would have filled that same place again.

    There doesn’t seem to be much disgrace in not being able to beat Hurricane Fly at Leopardstown and if Barry Geraghty had ridden Jezki to beat The Fly at his beloved course there would have been an awful lot more weight to the argument that the horse goes significantly better for him than he does for AP.

    As you say, Jezki doesn’t look any better this season than last. Is it possible he may have actually regressed slightly? Arctic Fire finished closer to both he and Hurricane Fly than handicap marks had suggested he would and it seems fair to have opined that with Hurricane Fly’s advancing years, Jezki could have been expected to have been a threat to him, even at The Fly’s favourite venue of Leopardstown.

    A few views expressed seem to suggest that Jezki is only out to win the one race this year, The Champion Hurdle, and it could be true, but based on his efforts this season, he needs to find a decent chunk of improvement and I’m not convinced Barry Geraghty’s 5 from 5 record on the horse is anywhere near the cast iron evidence it might first appear when you haven’t looked further into the circumstances of both jockey’s rides on Jezki.

    Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.

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    Great to hear that Tommy,thats the beauty of betting in running mate.
    On a serious note…..TAPK has gone in hard and when that happens the earth moves…3/1 NRNB…

    The New One

    . All those who think this fellow wasn’t sprinting up that hill last year are kidding themselves,this ‘Faugheen’ will be a sitting duck….Whoooooosh! 8)

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    AP is 3 from 6 on Jezki. Geraghty 5 from 5. AP rode two poor races on Jezki last season, and today didn’t quite seem to make his mind up one way or the other.

    I make it 3 from 7 for McCoy on Jezki Joe.

    Any stats need to be put into perspective though, if they are to have true meaning.

    Barry Geraghty rode Jezki in his maiden and other early hurdle races and it’s surely easier to run up wins in that sphere than when trying to do the same in grade ones and championship races.

    If you look at McCoy’s four defeats on Jezki, they

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    came at Leopardstown and all four races were won by Hurricane Fly. Jezki was second three times and without his last flight mistake yesterday he would have filled that same place again.

    There doesn’t seem to be much disgrace in not being able to beat Hurricane Fly at Leopardstown and if Barry Geraghty had ridden Jezki to beat The Fly at his beloved course there would have been an awful lot more weight to the argument that the horse goes significantly better for him than he does for AP.

    There is no shame in riding Jezki to finish second to Hurricane Fly, but the finishing positions only tell half the story. In my opinion McCoy had a nightmare on Jezki in his two runs at Leopardstown last season.

    In the first, he was boxed in at a crucial stage, having jumped the second last. Danny Mullins could see what was about to happen, Ruby Walsh could see and I think most people watching could see he needed to angle out to go around Captain Cee Bee but Mullins was one step ahead of him on Our Conor.

    In the second, he held him up off what looked a slow pace and never got involved. While the first ride could go down as unlucky, this one was very odd.

    I wouldn’t be too critical of his rides this year. I thought he could have kicked on two out yesterday but maybe he would have been beaten further, perhaps some time guru will shed some light on how the race was run.

    Horses do seem to make a lot of mistakes with McCoy on board. He had a bit of a nightmare day yesterday. He was pulling a plough coming into the straight in the first, looked like he was in two minds coming to the last, burst it, and was lucky to dead heat. Gilgamboa has been foot perfect under Mark Walsh but was far from it yesterday, although that’s probably as much down to the speed they went yesterday, would have been completely new to the horse.

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    Great to hear that Tommy,thats the beauty of betting in running mate.
    On a serious note…..TAPK has gone in hard and when that happens the earth moves…3/1 NRNB…

    The New One

    . All those who think this fellow wasn’t sprinting up that hill last year are kidding themselves,this ‘Faugheen’ will be a sitting duck….Whoooooosh! 8)

    The only place Faugheen will be sitting is the winners enclosure, I’m hopeful we’ll make a believer out of you yet :wink:

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    betfair sportsbook go 2/9 that Ruby rides Faugheen. Paddy knows though he’s gone 1/10. 5/1 if you think he’ll ride Hurricane Fly.

    Blackbeard to conquer the World

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    Of course Ruby Walsh will choose to ride Faugheen in the Champion Hurdle – unless injury to horse or himself intervenes .

    Only a complete fool would bet against it .

    Gambling Only Pays When You're Winning

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    Exactly 2/9 is Christmas

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    I was just wondering why some people think TNO is flat footed and dosen’t have a change off pace?.Off a good gallop and on a steap finish i believe it’s TNO greatest asset.

    Lets look at sum facts to back this up in the international this season if you watch the race back TNO sprints up the hill.In the champion hurdle last year he was sprinting up the hill jumping the last.Was intresting what Ruby said today on racing Uk losing that much ground makes things very difficult.

    They was speaking about riding TNO from the front in the champion hurdle on RUK that would be a disaster for me and play into faugheens hands.TNO should be ridden for a turn off foot and to pick faugheen off up the hill that’s the only way i feel TNO wins.But if he is with in 2 lengths jumping the last i advice all you faugheen fans it will be a long way home up that cheltenham hill :D

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    I was just wondering why some people think TNO is flat footed and dosen’t have a change off pace?.Off a good gallop and on a steap finish i believe it’s TNO greatest asset.

    Lets look at sum facts to back this up in the international this season if you watch the race back TNO sprints up the hill.In the champion hurdle last year he was sprinting up the hill jumping the last.Was intresting what Ruby said today on racing Uk losing that much ground makes things very difficult.

    They was speaking about riding TNO from the front in the champion hurdle on RUK that would be a disaster for me and play into faugheens hands.TNO should be ridden for a turn off foot and to pick faugheen off up the hill that’s the only way i feel TNO wins.But if he is with in 2 lengths jumping the last i advice all you faugheen fans it will be a long way home up that cheltenham hill :D

    I don’t believe he was sprinting up the hill last year, I think he was staying on very strongly, with the front pair probably weakening late on and Hurricane Fly and Captain Cee Bee fading badly. He was badly outpaced at a crucial stage (between the second and third last) in my opinion, and confounded this by jumping out to his right at both these obstacles.

    Sure he showed a good turn of foot in the International but he wasn’t sprinting away from Champion Hurdle horses. Jezki, Hurricane Fly and Faugheen would have all done just the same thing. Also, the race was run on the New Course, which is stiffer. His lack of tactical speed will be a bigger disadvantage on the Old Course. I’m not saying he can’t win, but I think his best chance will be if Faugheen and Jezki cut each other’s throats and The New One stays on to pick up the pieces.

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    I was just wondering why some people think TNO is flat footed and dosen’t have a change off pace?.Off a good gallop and on a steap finish i believe it’s TNO greatest asset.

    Lets look at sum facts to back this up in the international this season if you watch the race back TNO sprints up the hill.In the champion hurdle last year he was sprinting up the hill jumping the last.Was intresting what Ruby said today on racing Uk losing that much ground makes things very difficult.

    They was speaking about riding TNO from the front in the champion hurdle on RUK that would be a disaster for me and play into faugheens hands.TNO should be ridden for a turn off foot and to pick faugheen off up the hill that’s the only way i feel TNO wins.But if he is with in 2 lengths jumping the last i advice all you faugheen fans it will be a long way home up that cheltenham hill :D

    If you watch the Champion Hurdle you can see the jockey getting after The New One very seriously. There is no obvious response and if the horse has a "sharp turn of foot" why wasn’t he showing it at that stage, when the jockey clearly wanted him to close up on the horses in front?

    It can’t have been the case that the jockey waited until popping over the last before asking the horse to quicken and even if it were, the obvious question would be why the hell he left it as late as that and cost the horse the race.

    The horse

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    hampered, but no where near as badly as some reported and/or claimed. The incident also happened at a satge of the race where there was ample time to get work back into the race gradually, rather than having to go all out, as would have been the case when happening nearer the conclusion of the race.

    The International was another race where The New One met inferior opponents and it is always easier to quicken past horses with a markedly lower ability than it is to do so against horses of similar class. Vaniteux is a horse who some have said needs further than two miles and he was stepped up to two and a half miles next time but was a beaten favourite behind Rock On Ruby. Vaniteux couldn’t catch Rock On Ruby that day and the bad news pace wise would be that the winner that day is headed for The World Hurdle at Cheltenham. Vaniteux finished a neck in front of Cole Harden in that same race and that horse went on to cut little ice over 3 miles next time, suggesting that Vaniteux was hardly taking on speedy horses after his experience against The New One.

    The International has seen seven subsequent runs from those who ran behind The New One, with no wins and the only other worthwhile run was that of Bertimont, who ironically ran behind The New One again next time.

    Vaniteux was described as a horse waiting to go chasing, who wasn’t helped by the step up in trip behind Rock On Ruby, by trainer Nicky Henderson. In my opinion he’s not a great horse to judge a turn of foot against, given what he has shown himself to date.

    Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.

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