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Really doubt that connections of For Bill regret not entering her in this race. Connections have shrewdly picked relatively easy races so that she has remained unbeaten. All the horses that you’ve mentioned would give her a trouncing. If the notion existed that she was ever G1 standard then surely she would have been entered in mares race.
A poor attempt above to get a few pot shots in at Go Native. The horse has the best form on offer out of any 2m hurdler at the moment. As of now, he’s the best around and a deserving favourite. Accept it
A poor attempt above to get a few pot shots in at Go Native. The horse has the best form on offer out of any 2m hurdler at the moment. As of now, he’s the best around and a deserving favourite. Accept it
Wrong, that was not a cheap shot at Go Native, he desreves to be favourite but if you doubt what I’m saying re Donna Palm check the riding arrangements and SPs for the two horses at Leopardstown on the 27th Dec 2008 in the paddypower.com Future Champion Novice Hurdle (Grade 1). Which horse looks t be the main Noel Meade contender?
Donnas Palm lost form big time for a chunk of last season but cannot be faulted this yearI have been following Zaynar and back him some time ago. I have heard he is training well…..very well. My biggest single win was £12,000 on Tuitchev many years ago which was owned by a friend of mine. He told me to get on when it was 33/1 but I didn’t and only got 12’s a month later, but this will top "when it wins". Fingers crossed.
A poor attempt above to get a few pot shots in at Go Native. The horse has the best form on offer out of any 2m hurdler at the moment. As of now, he’s the best around and a deserving favourite. Accept it
Wrong, that was not a cheap shot at Go Native, he desreves to be favourite but if you doubt what I’m saying re Donna Palm check the riding arrangements and SPs for the two horses at Leopardstown on the 27th Dec 2008 in the paddypower.com Future Champion Novice Hurdle (Grade 1). Which horse looks t be the main Noel Meade contender?
Donnas Palm lost form big time for a chunk of last season but cannot be faulted this yearI was more referring to the "Irelands second string" jibe. Im a huge hurricane fly fan, but Go Native has improved since last year and you cant be sure the HF would still have him covered. Dunguib should become a superstar but has achieved nothing near what Go Native has as yet. Solwhits form doesnt match up and the man most in the know about VLV, her trainer, obviously doesnt fancy her chances in the champion. Go Native is Irelands best at the minute.
Solwhit is better than Go Native at the moment. You can’t judge Solwhit on a 6 furlong sprint in the Fighting Fifth. It’s possible Go Native will improve in the Champion. But, it is on paper at least, a substandard race. CS is right.
It’s not a jibe, just a fact.
Does have it’s good points though, very competitive, open looking.
Value Is EverythingCelestial Halo came within a whisker of the double last year and Katchit was one of the worst Champion Hurdlers in living memory.
I don’t agree. Katchit was a really classy horse as a 4 y/o and 5 y/o.
Any horse that wins a Champion Hurdle has to be "classy" but I was comparing Katchit to other Champion Hurdlers and I stand by my comment. Katchit had (has) some admirable qualities but he is one of the worst winners of the race.
yes the field has cut up but the home stables have some backable firepower in celestial halo medermit and the easy travelling starluck or am i wrong.
Hello,
Yes, the race appears to have become very ordinary..
Therefore opened my Festival A/Post attack, somewhat later than usual due to the low A/P prices on offer:
DONNAS PALM @ 50/1…
Appears to thrive on soft, but surely the projected going shouldn’t hinder it, should it??
regards,
doyley
Solwhit is better than Go Native at the moment. You can’t judge Solwhit on a 6 furlong sprint in the Fighting Fifth. It’s possible Go Native will improve in the Champion. But, it is on paper at least, a substandard race. CS is right.
It’s not a jibe, just a fact.
Does have it’s good points though, very competitive, open looking.
Gingertipster : Every single Go Native fan glosses over Voler’s win yet all call the Fighting Fifth Sprint a legitimate piece of form, I doubt if there’s all that much between Donnas Palm and Go Native…except value.
of course Solwhit has the best form.
Re Irish 2nd XI….any team minus half it’s stars would be considered "the reserves"Really doubt that connections of For Bill regret not entering her in this race. Connections have shrewdly picked relatively easy races so that she has remained unbeaten. All the horses that you’ve mentioned would give her a trouncing. If the notion existed that she was ever G1 standard then surely she would have been entered in mares race.
Her season’s target is a grade 1 at Punchestown, I forget which race, she warms up on Sunday at Limerick….. underestimate her at your peril
Really doubt that connections of For Bill regret not entering her in this race. Connections have shrewdly picked relatively easy races so that she has remained unbeaten. All the horses that you’ve mentioned would give her a trouncing. If the notion existed that she was ever G1 standard then surely she would have been entered in mares race.
Her season’s target is a grade 1 at Punchestown, I forget which race, she warms up on Sunday at Limerick….. underestimate her at your peril
Won’t underestimate her but wouldn’t overestimate her either just thought CH a bridge too far as is a grade 1 IMO. Thought her beating of Araucaria was very good form but think after Araucarias loss last time out there must be some question marks. Hope she does win it a G1 mind for the Kingdom.
Won’t underestimate her but wouldn’t overestimate her either just thought CH a bridge too far as is a grade 1 IMO. Thought her beating of Araucaria was very good form but think after Araucarias loss last time out there must be some question marks.
Hope she does win it a G1 mind for the Kingdom.
Doesn’t Winters train in Cork?
There will be a Kerry winner at the festival this year and it won’t be de plasterer
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The race is a right mess.
Solwhit is under a cloud,
Celestial Halo is running miles below his best.
Khyber King beat him, making him look like a contender when he’s probably got no chance.
Punjabi has done nothing to say he is as good as he was and I can’t see him possibly winning again even if he is.
Zaynar can’t jump, is too slow to pick up and Brian Geharty has desterted him.
Binocular hasn’t raised a gallop all season but I am told Nicky Henderson was a lot more pleased with him yesterday than he is letting on to the press. Even if he was and he does run there has to be a huge doubt he’ll come back to his best..we live in hope.
Medermit is a nice horse but I can’t see him getting into the race as he doesn’t travel well enough.
Go Native looks the only one among the contenders who doesn’t have a problem You could cririses him and say he’s the Son of Harchibald but he has oodles of speed and has already prooved he can travel with the best of them round Cheltenham at festival pace.
I’ll be happy whether Binocular or Go Native win but I can’t raise any enthusiasm for any of the other leading contenders.
There is one horse who if you watch him run in last years race you wouldn’t give him a a cat in hells chance of making the frame: Won in the Dark.
It wasn’t much of a race he won the other day but the horse really caught the eye and looked better than I have ever seen him. With all the problems and doubt surrounding the others he could spring a surprise but first he’d have to turn up.
Last year he got bogged down in the softish ground and couldn’t get going so unless we have a completely dry spell between now and Tuesday which is unlikely he may not run. He was 90 on the machine after his last win so I had a little bit on at 90 85 and 80 just in case his trainer has a change of heart.
This race promised so much at the start of the season but now is is such a mess anything could win it.
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Solwhit is better than Go Native at the moment. You can’t judge Solwhit on a 6 furlong sprint in the Fighting Fifth. It’s possible Go Native will improve in the Champion. But, it is on paper at least, a substandard race. CS is right.
It’s not a jibe, just a fact.
Does have it’s good points though, very competitive, open looking.
Gingertipster : Every single Go Native fan glosses over Voler’s win yet all call the Fighting Fifth Sprint a legitimate piece of form, I doubt if there’s all that much between Donnas Palm and Go Native…except value.
of course Solwhit has the best form.
Re Irish 2nd XI….any team minus half it’s stars would be considered "the reserves"I think the big mistake you are making is you forget Go Native won the Supreme off a fast pace. He’s not just a sprinter he’s already proved he can win of a fast pace. If he kicks 3 out like he did in the Supreme he’ll leave Solwhit standing and the rest. Solwhit could come back at him if he stops but that’s the million dollar question. The only horse who has the speed to go with Go Native if they decide to go early is Binocular and he’s under a cloud……or at least he supposed to be.
As far as Voler’s win over Go Native is concerend that has no basis on anything. Not unless her trainer has **** for brains or she would be running in the Champion Hurdle. Go Native was no where near right that day according to Meade something his trainer balmed himslef for. In the same way he wasn’t right when Hurricane Fly beat him in much the same fashion. Come the Supreme he put all that behind him and make no mistake he’ll do the same in the Champion.
If you think Go Native was the same horse in that race than he was at Newcastle I give up hope for you.
Punjabi has done nothing to say he is as good as he was and I
can’t see
him possibly winning again even if he is.
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This race promised so much at the start of the season but now is is such a messanything could
win it.
Analysis looking a bit confused there. He looked electric in his prep, name a few others who did?
Fwiw I agree with Won In The Dark, e/w @ 100/1, but will only get 3rd if a few have had problems, a poor prep or don’t run….oh wait…
Punjabi
Go Native
Won In The Dark.Easy (ha)
Lets not get too carried away in rubbishing this years race – we’ve got last seasons Champion, Champion Novice, and Champion Juvenile. We’ve got last seasons 3rd placed horse returning. Despite some of the comments above, we’ve surely got a worthy favourite in the form of last seasons Supreme winner, who has gone on to stylishly win both the Christmas Hurdle and Fighting Fifth.
We’ve lost last seasons 2nd who has looked regressive all season anyway, for whatever reason. We’ve lost Solwhit who’s best form is arguably either in the mud or over further. We’ve lost Hurrican Fly, who admittedly could have been anything, but has achieved relatively little.
Still a good looking field in my opinion, the ‘cruising’ styles of both Starluck and Go Native add to the lustre of the race for me, i love watching that type of horse run.
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