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Hence the singing of a tatty famine song called Fields of Athenry :)
PLEASE EXPLAIN BY WHAT YOU MEAN TATTY
I presume "tatty" was meant as per the Scottish slang word for potatoes ("neeps and tatties" = turnips and potatoes) – nothing more loaded or naughty than that.
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tatty? tattie? grays is ofcourse correct, why Celtic fans want to sing this song is beyond me, and offensive? to who? offensive to Rangers fans as Celtic can sing what they want but Rangers fans have to be careful what we sing about, it’s ridiculous up here these days the commotion about most of our songs.
I’ll say it again – Celtic and most of their fans believe they are an Irish club, they have no pride in anything British.
I confess I had no idea what Tatty meant. If you are correct gc, could it not be taken as a reference to the Irish potato famine thereby causing extreme offence?
I doubt it – there’s absolutely no recognised pejorative use of "tatty" for potato of which I am aware. It would hold no greater or lesser weight in this instance than having said "Irish spud famine" or "Irish earthapple famine" instead.
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Celtic have been named in the list of top twenty richest clubs in Europe – representing Scotland (yes, Scotland ), the only nation represented outside of the so called big five, Italy, Spain, England, France and Germany.
Funnily enough, no mention of er, (cough) Rangers.
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I confess I had no idea what Tatty meant. If you are correct gc, could it not be taken as a reference to the Irish potato famine thereby causing extreme offence?
Well the song is about the Potato Famine and how the Irish were exiled to Australia & Tasmania for stealing food to feed their families during that period. Nonetheless I wouldn’t take offence at the use of the word tatty.
You can be a ‘tattyheid’ (i.e having a head resembling a potato).
Don’t call Harry a human potato
Don’t call Harry a spud
Don’t call Harry a walking King Edward
Harry’s made of flesh and blood– “Mash it up Harry”, (c)1997 Ian Dury & the Blockheads
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Kwai, I’m not sure what to say regarding your latest post except I’ve never read so much rubbish in one post anywhere on any forum.
All I can say is someone is hurting because my stats and records show that Rangers are the best.
I’m really shocked by what you have written and I’m thinking of actually sending it to Rangers to see what they say about this as there is no way in the world that Rangers fans are racist.
Corm, I think it’s time you locked this or deleted this thread as I find Kwai’s latest post offensive.
In defence of Kwai; and lest oor Jim forgets – his beloved (can do no wrong) Rangers F.C. follow followed (
) a sectarian policy for over a hundred years whereby any Catholic footballer would not be signed by the Ibrox club. When one did slip through the net in the 50s ( Don Kitchenbrand – South African player) it was hushed up, as being of non Irish stock and by his own admission, lapsed (i.e. non practising), he wasn’t considered to be a true "tim", as it were. Rangers when challenged about this, gave the rather insipid excuse that so far, they had not come across one (a catholic) that had been good enough to sign for them. Hmm? Jock Stein, the great Celtic manager, jokingly said, when asked about Rangers’ policy of not singing Catholics, that it meant he could concentrate on signing the good Protestant players first (such as Willie Wallace, for example) knowing full well that he could sign the good Catholic ones later, as rangers wouldn’t touch them with a barge pole.
When ex- Celt, Mo (Judas) Johnston signed for Rangers in 1989, it rocked the whole of Scottish football. Many Rangers fans handed in their season books and burnt their scarves in protest. Souness (the then Rangers manager ) and chairman/owner, David Murray, were at the time, lauded in the press for their "bravery" (bravery ?
) for signing Catholic, Johnston. Celtic fans saw it more as a "get it right up you" gesture from the Ibrox club – which Souness, in his book, later admitted to be the case.The sad fact is that there still exists an element of sectarianism between both Celtic and Rangers. They call it the Irish disease here. There are however, within the ranks, many supporters of both clubs, who want and will have nothing to do with all that nonsense. Ironically, it can be argued, it is because of this (rather than inspite of) that both have such large followings.
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Firstly, Himself is talking complete bollocks and he obviously forgets John Spencer so enough said about his post, typical from him because he can’t take that Rangers are the best overall team.
Secondly, Kwai, tell me who the song that is no longer allowed to be uses by Rangers fans offends? and how is it classed as shame to Britain? I know this is a wind up for me to take the bait, it’s been all down before but we have been praised on numerous occasions in europe by those that matter – not gutter press stories.
Thirdly, I could ask a member(s) of the RST (Rangers supporters Trust) to come on here and answer you in a bit more detail than I could so you can understand what the real situation is.
I can’t believe this thread is anything more than a wind up as both yourself and Himself are completely way off the mark and both of you sound bitter.
It was a nice thread Jim, argued in an adult fashion.
MikkyMo’s fears proved unfounded!
Or did they?
This thread has been a fascinating read, with Himself and Jim (two die hard fans of their beloved clubs) debating in brilliant fashion.
But I’m afraid I have to agree with Jim now, it’s gone a bit stupid. I don’t know why religion or crowd behaviour had to get involved.
Come on guys, let’s get back to talking about which club has had the better managers, who has had the best strikers, which players from either team past or present would walk into one of the ‘big four’ teams in England etc…
Mike
ALex Ferguson still gets a bit of grief for not winning more than one champions league and some say thats why he still stays on at old trafford to win one more, therfore would it be safe to assume that he is been judged not for winning the most prem titles but how well he has done in Europe?
if so Celtic are the best as rangers have not won a European Cup and by that i mean Champions league Trophy
Thats Settled Celtic are the best end of thread
Firstly, Himself is talking complete bollocks and he obviously forgets John Spencer so enough said about his post, typical from him because he can’t take that Rangers are the best overall team.
I can’t believe this thread is anything more than a wind up as both yourself and Himself are completely way off the mark and both of you sound bitter.
Jim, judging by the tone of your posts, you sound the only bitter one here. I hadn’t forgoten Spencer (he always maintained that he was not RC anyway), or Jorg Albertz (German), or indeed Lorenzo Amuruso, the token Kafflick Italian captain (not of Irish stock, you see very important, around Govan way), who, by his own admission was advised (nay, make that ordered) never again to make the sign of the cross as he once (stupidly ?) did during the initial stages at his new club’s ground.
To suggest I am talking bollocks is of course, nonsense, and to be honest, not worthy of further comment. We’ll let others make up their own minds on that score – i.e. the ones without the blue tinted shades on.
The fact of the matter is ; as if it were not patently obvious to all and sundry by now, that the two opposing factions who support Scotland’s big two football teams, will never agree on anything and will never, ever see eye to eye.
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National teams support? what? so no Rangers fans are part of the nations support? do me a favour!
Rangers fans did get into trouble like any other fans world wide at the time (70’s as it seems to be that this was the done thing) BUT that was in the 70’s so why the need to open up cans of worms? answer – because I put a good case across as to why Rangers were better all round than celtic.
Winning one European cup doesn’t make you the better team, in fact there weren’t as many games around when Celtic won it, I think they played about four games.
Anyway it doesn’t matter now as this thread has went sour and down the wrong road, and facts have somehow been ignored so I’ll let you all wallow in this thread as I won’t be back in no matter what is said from now on, I can only deal in facts and when they start to go awol it’s time for me to get out.
You can believe what you want to believe and if you believe in what yourself Kwai and Himself have posted then I’m not the one with the problem, I didn’t bring religion into this.
A thanks must go to MikkyMo who seems to be the only one here that seen what was going on.
I now hope this thread is deleted as it might have caused some embarrassment to some, my mates have read this and are laughing at me for taking the bait. so the jokes on me – no probs!
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Anyway it doesn’t matter now as this thread has went sour and down the wrong road, and facts have somehow been ignored so I’ll let you all wallow in this thread as I won’t be back in no matter what is said from now on, I can only deal in facts and when they start to go awol it’s time for me to get out.
and here’s me thinking the cry was " no surrender"
"because I put a good case across as to why Rangers were better all round than celtic"
No you didn’t. All you did was print the number of trophies Rangers have won in relation to Celtic. What you should have said is that both teams, during certain decades, were better than the other, Rangers were very much the better team during the 20s, 40s and 90s, for example; whereas Celtic were the dominant force during the early years of the 20th century (six in a row), the 60s and 70s (the FIRST 9 in a row
) and during the O’ Neill years.All arguments on this subject are totally redundant. Indeed meaningless, and will achieve nothing. As I have said before – we (the opposing Old Firm fans) will never agree on anything, let alone a silly question like who is better.
Come on, think about it – it’s like asking Liverpool fans to concede that Man Utd are better than their team, and vice versa. It just won’t happen.ps. Celtic 7 Rangers 1 (1957 league cup final – and still a British cup final racord).
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) for signing Catholic, Johnston. Celtic fans saw it more as a "get it right up you" gesture from the Ibrox club – which Souness, in his book, later admitted to be the case.
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