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Trainer expressed himself satisfied with the ride
Matter referred by the local stewards to the BHA
The owner is a business partner of Kieren Fallon:-
Prufrock wrote on the Stewards thread…"The stewards have interviewed the jockey and trainer into the apparent absence of effort by the former. The results of the enquiry are likely to be delayed until after the final race while full veterinary checks are made on the horse’s welfare and while the trainer discharges his duties as trainer of Vigano, a runner in that race."
Different trainers Prufrock though same owner, Buckley.
They are one and the same trainer.
However, the point I was making was simply that it would be good to be fed this SORT OF information even while the enquiry is still ongoing.
My apologies Prufrock…my mistake. Didn’t do a very good job on the latter though did he….saddle slipped final 100 yards, jockey lost irons.
Lol.
What with "trainer expressed himself satisfied with the ride" and his failing to tie a saddle on securely, perhaps he is preparing a defence of not guilty on the grounds of diminshed responsibility…
I’ve asked before, I’ll ask again.
Dear Rabble,
WHY OH WHY OH WHY OH WHY are foreign horse allowed to be beamed into low grade handicaps in the UK? What legitimate reason can there possibly be for someone passing up races for prize money many times bigger at home to run for rossettes here? There’s only one reason they come – Because British racing is
offshore
.
I know this is about the only growth industry within this dieing sport, but do you think you might show some initiative and finally do something?
This horse has run before in low grade races here and like pretty much all its ilk, the results are bi-modal. It finishes tailed off last or it wins. Do you see any clues there?
How about placing less emphasis on keystone cop investigations and, instead, spend some time drawing up some worthwhile regulations.
Rant Over
Whilst I agree with the point being made 100%, some would say how far does this type of idea go? By the terms of racing for rosettes, Godolphin shouldn’t be running horses in Britain.
The rules should be tightened, and not only for foreign trained horses, who I would ban from running in anything other than Listed and Group races on the flat provided they had a rating high enough (105+), but obviously with foreign horses who are then sent to British trainers. There’s the issue with French bred and raced NH horses running off handicap marks gained from racing over French obstacles in France. If anyone can think of a crazier way of allowing a horse/s to be handicapped – please let me know, because there’s no way most French NH races are comparable to ours.
I’m not sure about this particular incidecnt…
Casela park looked to be making things extremely difficult for the jockey and I’m not sure if the lad on board is any good at all? (I can’t find any evidence that he has ridden any winners on the Racing Post site)
That said, I agree with Glenn’s point.
What was the pre-race market like on this beast?
Top-weight Casela Park, who has won from the front but was waited with on this second run for the yard, was switched to the centre from his stands’ side draw after acouple of furlongs, made steady headway from rear and switched from over a furlong out, keeping on strongly in the last 100 yards for a never-near-to-challenge sixth, beaten just two lengths.
The ride provoked much comment but Curragh-based Tyrrell, who has been training for six years, defended the jockey, also based in Ireland, and said: "The horse is a very difficult ride. He has been all his life.
"The reason he didn’t make the running today was he ranfree at Leopardstown for me and ended up finishing fourth, and I thought if we dropped him in today it would make all the difference, especially with 9st 13lb on his back.
"The jockey himself has done nothing wrong. If they understood how difficult a ride this horse is they’d actually think the chap did a good job. In fairness to Jason I think if he had pulled his stick out and given him a smack he would probably have ended up over the rails."
Casela Parkis declared to run again at Musselburgh on Friday and the plan is to run.
Apart from the fact I’ve probably never read so much rubbish in my life, why is the horse allowed to run at Musselburgh on Friday as things stand?
Get the horse worked up behind the stalls, settle the horse away from horses, dive for cover when trying to make ground, pull the horse left, right, left, right, and ride hands and heels with limited effort. Hmm – top ride.
Either the horse is too dangerous to race or he’s not, no?
And why is running the horse 2 days after his last run a good idea?
I think the only question we need to be asking now is what price is this horse going to open up Friday
J J Behan rode over 50 winners between 1995 and 2005.
Since then, the number of his rides has diminished markedly, to the degree that you suspect being a JOCKEY may not be his first JOB.
Not sure what other JOB a JOCKEY might do, but I am sure forumites could come up with suggestions in this instance.
Casela Park was actually nibbled at in the betting, though it could be argued that his SP of 17/2 was bigger than his credentials justified. His Betfair SP was 14.06.
To speak purely hypothetically, there could be a number of reasons why connections might not want a horse to have a hard race, over and above immediate monetary gain. This might include the possibility that they wanted the horse to have a harder race two days later.
I’m not sure about this particular incidecnt…
Casela park looked to be making things extremely difficult for the jockey and I’m not sure if the lad on board is any good at all? (I can’t find any evidence that he has ridden any winners on the Racing Post site)
That said, I agree with Glenn’s point.
What was the pre-race market like on this beast?
Jockey’s record:-
Irish flat 2010 6 rides, 1 4th place (this horse last time out)
Irish flat last 5 seasons 29 rides , 2 4th places
First ride in the UK today
He is heavy with lowest riding weight in last 12 months being 9-1.
Horse formerly trained by S J Treacy is 3 wins from 14 starts, usually goes 7f or 1 mile.
10s into 17/2 today
It’s weird how both the trainer and jockey have almost disappeared off the scene for the the last couple of seasons. Curioser and curioser.
The rules should be tightened, and not only for foreign trained horses, who I would ban from running in anything other than Listed and Group races on the flat provided they had a rating high enough (105+), but obviously with foreign horses who are then sent to British trainers. There’s the issue with French bred and raced NH horses running off handicap marks gained from racing over French obstacles in France. If anyone can think of a crazier way of allowing a horse/s to be handicapped – please let me know, because there’s no way most French NH races are comparable to ours.
All British handicaps then! Super idea. At least you are not over reacting.
JohnJ
The Rabble rolling out the red carpet for Darren Williams and saying ‘welcome back son’.
Curley horses finishing first and last (land speed record set in first half of the race) in line with market expectations.
‘Proper hands and heels rides’ on usurped jollies.
Psychic gambles Nevsioning jackpot punters.
Saddles not fitted properly and jockeys playing dodgems in the run for the rosettes.
Just another day at the office for Paul Scotney.
I’ve asked before, I’ll ask again.
Dear Rabble,
WHY OH WHY OH WHY OH WHY are foreign horse allowed to be beamed into low grade handicaps in the UK? What legitimate reason can there possibly be for someone passing up races for prize money many times bigger at home to run for rossettes here? There’s only one reason they come – Because British racing is
offshore
.
I know this is about the only growth industry within this dieing sport, but do you think you might show some initiative and finally do something?
This horse has run before in low grade races here and like pretty much all its ilk, the results are bi-modal. It finishes tailed off last or it wins. Do you see any clues there?
How about placing less emphasis on keystone cop investigations and, instead, spend some time drawing up some worthwhile regulations.
Rant Over
Whilst I agree with the point being made 100%, some would say how far does this type of idea go? By the terms of racing for rosettes, Godolphin shouldn’t be running horses in Britain.
The rules should be tightened, and not only for foreign trained horses, who I would ban from running in anything other than Listed and Group races on the flat provided they had a rating high enough (105+), but obviously with foreign horses who are then sent to British trainers. There’s the issue with French bred and raced NH horses running off handicap marks gained from racing over French obstacles in France. If anyone can think of a crazier way of allowing a horse/s to be handicapped – please let me know, because there’s no way most French NH races are comparable to ours.
The horses who come over from France to race for Nicholls, Pipe etc aren’t running off a French hurdles mark they’re running off a mark allocated to them by the British handicapper based loosely on the mark given to them in France, presumably looking at the various ratings using a conversion chart of some sorts which IMO is at least 5-7lbs out.
French NH races are run differently to ours and it will only be the very best who can win top races on both sides of the channel ie. Long Run, Hurricane Fly and to an extent Big Bucks.
Pru,
Just a thought, but is it possible that you and Silvoir are talking about two different sites concerning non runners?
One is looking at http://www.britishhorseracing.com, the other at http://www.racingadmin.com.
If so that might explain the confusion.
AP
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