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  • #319804
    Kickback
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    Excellent piece by Andrew Scutts today on pg4 of the Racing Post. The defendants lack of representation was more than unsatisfactory. I would dearly love to see what a barrister would make of the claims of the future betting coup, how the panel can conclude that "it would have won", how Tyrell had caused Behan to ride like he did, etc etc

    I will declare that I don’t think the incident was as bad as many people are making out, and wouldn’t make the top 10 stopping jobs this year in my opinion.

    Can we assume a higher profile trainer/jockey will be subjected to the same level of scrutiny next time they strangle one? We all know that would be trading at a 1000. Why is that?

    #319827
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    I will declare that I don’t think the incident was as bad as many people are making out, and wouldn’t make the top 10 stopping jobs this year in my opinion.

    I take it you’ve seen the scout camera and head on footage then? The only way anyone can make an absolute judgement in this case was by viewing all footage to test the excuses of the rider. Behan could have been exonerated if his claims had been borne out, but I’ll happily take the judgement of the panel that the head-on was damning.

    Can we assume a higher profile trainer/jockey will be subjected to the same level of scrutiny next time they strangle one? We all know that would be trading at a 1000. Why is that?

    Before we start suggesting that this was some pre-ordained kangaroo court set out to lynch the little man, it’s worth remembering that at leas one good judge on this forum called it the most extraordinary ride since the infamous Flowing River case. I think it’s a bold call to say that Casela Park would have won, but given he was beaten only 2 lengths after being restrained on several occasions, I wouldn’t want to argue otherwise.

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    It was a poor ride – but the horse is a thorough sh1t imo and the jockey hadn’t ridden a winner for half a decade.

    I’d be much happier with this "let’s get tough on non triers" attitude if we didn’t have much higher profile connections blatantly laying horses out (i.e not trying for a sequence of runs) in order to land a touch.

    That happens on a regular basis, yet I don’t see these people being pilloried by Timeform or banned from the sport by the BHA.

    #319836
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    It was a poor ride – but the horse is a thorough sh1t imo and the jockey hadn’t ridden a winner for half a decade.

    I’d be much happier with this "let’s get tough on non triers" attitude if we didn’t have much higher profile connections blatantly laying horses out (i.e not trying for a sequence of runs) in order to land a touch.

    That happens on a regular basis, yet I don’t see these people being pilloried by Timeform or banned from the sport by the BHA.

    TDK – if you want to come in and watch the DVD you’re more than welcome.

    #319992
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    I take it you’ve seen the scout camera and head on footage then? The only way anyone can make an absolute judgement in this case was by viewing all footage to test the excuses of the rider. Behan could have been exonerated if his claims had been borne out, but I’ll happily take the judgement of the panel that the head-on was damning.

    Not only have I not seen he scout footage of this race, I don’t think I have ever seen any scout footage of any race. Are these available publicly anywhere?

    TDK – if you want to come in and watch the DVD you’re more than welcome.

    Why not host this on the BHA website?

    #319996
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    Fair point – would make intriguing viewing.

    #319998
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    TDK – if you want to come in and watch the DVD you’re more than welcome.

    Why not host this on the BHA website?

    Not sure we have the rights to do so – will ask.

    #320132
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    What’s the betting the additional footage the FBI have locked away of the JFK assasination gets released before the Casela Park footage? :mrgreen:

    There is however some footage on Casela Park you can view here while you’re waiting

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KI44fA4ReL8

    #320296
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    Footage will be on the website on Monday – will post a link then.

    #320886
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    TDK – if you want to come in and watch the DVD you’re more than welcome.

    Why not host this on the BHA website?

    As requested, click on the link at the bottom of the Panel’s reasons:

    http://www.britishhorseracing.com/resources/about/whatwedo/disciplinary/disciplinaryDetail.asp?item=092453

    #320905
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    Thanks very much, Paul.

    This may have been an easy target as TDK says, and there must be a doubt about exactly what reason connections had for preventing Casela Park winning, but there is surely no doubt whatsoever that the findings in the case are correct.

    Hopefully this open goal won’t be the only score for the integrity team this year, and there are plenty of yards regularly turning out non-triers as a matter of course without anything being done, although that doesn’t mean that when a team like Tyrrell and Behan make such a pig’s ear of it they should also be ignored.

    #320907
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    thedarkknight

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    It was a poor ride – but the horse is a thorough sh1t imo and the jockey hadn’t ridden a winner for half a decade.

    I’d be much happier with this "let’s get tough on non triers" attitude if we didn’t have much higher profile connections blatantly laying horses out (i.e not trying for a sequence of runs) in order to land a touch.

    That happens on a regular basis, yet I don’t see these people being pilloried by Timeform or banned from the sport by the BHA.

    It was a poor ride making the intention not to let the horse go through gaps obvious.
    There are other jockeys far more skilled who can achieve the same result but how can the BHA prove this, especially if betting patterns appear normal?

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    Very interesting and well done to the BHA for putting it on their website, hopefully this won’t be a one off and may become a regular feature when publishing the findings of Disciplinary Panels.

    The head on view is particular revealing imv.

    I would be interested to know, if I may, whether the third showing of the race, the close up, was edited from other footage or filmed ‘live’ on the day? As, if it was the latter was the decision to concentrate on this horse based on an information/betting patterns received prior to the race?

    #320913
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    Pomp – it’s just a zoomed-in/cropped version of one of the standard side-ons, as opposed to a camera being focused on Casela Park on the day.

    #320915
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    Thank you, Paul. I’ve certainly firmed up my (previously agnostic) opinion after seeing that very revealing head on video. Full marks to the Panel on this one – and please do consider making footage in such cases regularly available.

    #320926
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    I’ve got to get myself one of those cameras

    I really thought form what I saw previously it was too bad to be true and it had to be the horse.

    I have to eat humble pie here and say it’s probably the worst attempt at stopping a horse I’ve ever seen.

    The first lunge across the course he might have got away with and even the second manoever but the 2nd last manoever when he could have driven a bus through the gap sealed his fate completely.

    It would have been much simpler to keep him up the horse in fronts backside and then when it was too late pull him out and go for gap that wasn’t there.

    This guy was looking for 6 gaps that didn’t exist and only found 3 :lol:

    Not only is he bent but he’s a bluddy awful jockey as well.

    #320939
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    How refreshingly honest of you, Fist.

    I haven’t read all of the disciplinary panel’s report, but where does the owner of Casela Park fit in to this? Has it been determined that Tyrell and Behan acted alone and therefore in contradiction to the owner’s best interests?

    In terms of motive for stopping the horse, is it not possible that a bigger price was sacrificed in order to place a larger bet at shorter odds next time? A horse with questionable form winning in a canter at 10/1 will certainly raise eyebrows and there’ll presumably be a limit to how much can be put on. However, a horse showing improved form before winning subsequently looks a lot less suspicious (at first glance at least) and I would hazard a guess that it’s easier to ensure a greater return at lesser odds.

    In any case, I hope that this case proves to be the foundation of a more effective and determined integrity initiative, with no-one deemed to be beyond reproach.

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