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how good is that looking for tomorrow after binocular’s win today, just hope mcoy gives it a good ride
I’m not sure that Aintree will suit Captain Cee Bee as well as it suited Binocular. He didn’t travel quite as well at Cheltenham but powered on up the hill. Being the track it is Aintree isn’t certain to suit him. In saying that he is well ahead of everything else on form and posted a rating (IMO) higher than the Champion Hurdler at Cheltenham, if he’s that good he really has to win this.
Giving weight to a few though and there’s a Nicholls horse down the bottom of the card that might just throw down a challenge.
Put a Champion Hurdler in this race though and surely it’d win? Captain Cee Bee really outta be able to.
Binocular has upheld the form of captain cee bee somewhat today, and with Alsadaa the likely pacesetter, there should be a decent clip in the race, which will suit Captain Cee Bee, but to be fair CCB looks like a really good all rounder and shouldn’t be beaten tomorrow, when binocular came off the turn at cheltenham, CCB was pretty much the only horse who could go with him, and although he outstayed him up the hill eventually he was never far away.
I will probably have a little e/w on Khyber Kim, if he doesn’t sweat up again in the prelims, hes got a lot of class but seems like he’s going to be one that has to be caught on the right day.
Pierrot Lunaire was second to Binocular by 1 1/4l at Kempton, has bypassed Cheltenham for this, and receives plenty of weight. If you believe that collateral form (in relation to novice hurdlers) is reliable, he has to be a decent EW bet.
Pierrot Lunaire was second to Binocular by 1 1/4l at Kempton, has bypassed Cheltenham for this, and receives plenty of weight. If you believe that collateral form (in relation to novice hurdlers) is reliable, he has to be a decent EW bet.
Pierrot Lunaire was second to a diiferent Binocular than the one that has run since, IMHO his bad jumping that day took a good ten lbs off him, and he has left that form behind.
I was planning backing Pierrot Lunaire at aintree, but upon reading Nicholls comments on Celestial Halo, where he used a comparison between PL and Binocular to suggest that he wasn’t worried about Binocular beating CH. I think he has possibly over estimated the form of the Adonis and under estimated the Supreme Novice form.
What throws me off Pierrot Lunaire the most, however, is that he is priced on his proximity to Binocular in the Adonis, not on his rating and not on what he as an individual horse has shown on the the track, and even with the stone he’s getting he’s shorter than I’d like..
My worry would be can Captain Cee Bee uphold Binny’s form. Don’t take it for granted he was 100% at Cheltenham remeber he was out of the betting for 36 hours and Henderson claims he honestly thought the horse wasn’t running.
We’ve seen 3 Cheltenham winners get stuffed already round this place and one more wouldn’t come as a surprise.
The horse I would fear most is Andy Turnell’s Blue Bajan who has speed to burn.
Captain Cee Bee, I found out all too late was being touted as the best novice in Ireland before Cheltenham, by chance he had a good rest prior to Cheltenham and comes here fresher than most. He does look really special but he’s not a compact horse like Binocular and this might track not be his cup of tea.
PN said of Pierrot Lunaire he has some engine and he and Binocular put a lot of distance between themselves and the third in a very short space of time.
I have no doubt he’s a class horse and he can lie up with the pace and be happy if there is no real gallop but he wouldn’t want get into a sprint with some of these.
The nearest thing to this type of race CCB has run in was his first race over hurdles when 5 of them jumped the last together. The second hasn’t done much but the 3rd has won 3 times since but I doubt if he would have the toe of some of these.
I hope something makes it a good strong pace and he lies up with them in about 4th…….if he does and he takes it up 2 out I think he’ll beat them easily but if it’s just a steady gallop and he gets into a sprint competition he could get done for toe here as he does take that little bit of time to get going.
I’m taking a back seat until the dust settles and will look at the race again tomorrow.
Captain Cee Bee gave weight and a sound beating to Binocular (who gave Pierrot Lunaire 3lb at Kempton) at Cheltenham, so the fact he carries 11-8 tomorrow is neither here nor there.
He’s an exceptional horse, and with the testing ground I think he’ll be ideally suited to Aintree.
First four favourites look nailed on at the minute…
I’d have concerns about CCB being as effective at Aintree as at Cheltenham but he does have an engine. Not one I’d get heavily involved in.
Captain Cee Bee gave weight and a sound beating to Binocular (who gave Pierrot Lunaire 3lb at Kempton) at Cheltenham, so the fact he carries 11-8 tomorrow is neither here nor there.
He’s an exceptional horse, and with the testing ground I think he’ll be ideally suited to Aintree.
First four favourites look nailed on at the minute…
What testing ground?
Given how he travelled at Cheltenham, I’d be very tentative about 5/4.
I’m with Fist on this occasion, the speedy Blue Bajan makes most appeal to me to cause a little upset at a course which looks certain to play to his strengths.
I’m not for a second thinking of taking any sort of 5/4 on Captain Cee Bee tomorrow, but still think he will win and am taking some of William Hill’s 12-1 about him for next years Champion, as for me it all revolves around him and Binocular, who are both different sorts to take there, I would be happy enough for him to get beaten as would rather back him at a better price than 12s but looking at the field I dont see it.
Before betting on anything for tomorrow it may pay to watch the replay of his cheltenham win, he has pace, speed everything, and that was after he had been off the track for about 4 months.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EoSF5SNqDOU
From the top off the hill the Supreme Novice started to look like a process of elimination, with bunches of horses dropping away at various stages, like the running down the hill, round the corner, up the hill. Captain Cee Bee is always there and looks to have a good balance of everything.
In todays race, Celestial Halo was a horse who is very much a stayer, against another good all rounder with far more speed. Captain Cee Bee is not that sort of horse he has a balance of everything, and has nothing in his field that looks as good as binocular, if he wasn’t giving away weight he would look a penalty kick, and indeed still may be, but for those with patience I think the real bet lies in the champ hurdle’s 12-1, as there is a good chance he will never be as good a price again for it.
Albertas Run, Tazbar, Master Minded and Captain Cee Bee all look to me like they only need to turn up to win but such is this place it is very difficult to decide which will take to the course.
Howver no matter which way I look at Alberta’s he looks near on unbeatable. He likes the track, will be hapy on the going and can be ridden from just of the pace 7/4 looks a great bet to me.
Tazbar is a real classy looking stayer who had enough speen to win over 2 miles. Kieth Revely claims he’s the best he’s ever trained and when the family have had horses like Cab on Target that is something to sit up and pay attention at. This course shouldn’t present him with any problems. I would have thought if any horse was going to run into trouble here it would be the 2nd fav The Tother One….again 15/8 looks very tempting.
Master Minded…….if he gets beat we would be as well all going home and taking up knitting. 1/3 but stick him in anyway.
Captain Cee Bee as LGR rightly pointed out gave weight and a beating to the younger Binocular. I don’t know why the way he won his first hurdle race should be a concern but it was on a totally different track than Cheltenham and more like here…..5/4 is a fair price though and I can’t see the nocholls horses engine having enough oil to cope with te big horse………Blue Bajan looks the only possiblle danger to me if things were to go his way
1 x 1 x 1 x 2 accumalator pays almsot 24 /1 with Captain Cee Bee and almost 90/1 with Blue Bajan.Back it up with 3 single bets and 3 doubles on CCB AR and Taz.
One large bet on which one you fancy most in my case Albertas Run 7/4
Just a case of working out your stakes to keep losses to a minimum should you manage only one double up.
Sit back and watch Master Minded strut his stuff and hope for the best.
Another nutty lot of bets but luckily the meeting comes but once a year
Have had to have an e/w go on my old friend Bulwark in the Tazbar race, as think he’ll run better than his current rating, whether he’s good enough for a place is a different matter, but 100/1 is 100/1.
As far as Racing Post text commentary can tell me, Captain Cee Bee did not run well today.
Even beaten by Lazy Darren (Who?)
Albertas Run, Tazbar, Master Minded and Captain Cee Bee all look to me like they only need to turn up to win but such is this place it is very difficult to decide which will take to the course.
Howver no matter which way I look at Alberta’s he looks near on unbeatable. He likes the track, will be hapy on the going and can be ridden from just of the pace 7/4 looks a great bet to me.
Tazbar is a real classy looking stayer who had enough speen to win over 2 miles. Kieth Revely claims he’s the best he’s ever trained and when the family have had horses like Cab on Target that is something to sit up and pay attention at. This course shouldn’t present him with any problems. I would have thought if any horse was going to run into trouble here it would be the 2nd fav The Tother One….again 15/8 looks very tempting.
Master Minded…….if he gets beat we would be as well all going home and taking up knitting. 1/3 but stick him in anyway.
Captain Cee Bee as LGR rightly pointed out gave weight and a beating to the younger Binocular. I don’t know why the way he won his first hurdle race should be a concern but it was on a totally different track than Cheltenham and more like here…..5/4 is a fair price though and I can’t see the nocholls horses engine having enough oil to cope with te big horse………Blue Bajan looks the only possiblle danger to me if things were to go his way
1 x 1 x 1 x 2 accumalator pays almsot 24 /1 with Captain Cee Bee and almost 90/1 with Blue Bajan.Back it up with 3 single bets and 3 doubles on CCB AR and Taz.
One large bet on which one you fancy most in my case Albertas Run 7/4
Just a case of working out your stakes to keep losses to a minimum should you manage only one double up.
Sit back and watch Master Minded strut his stuff and hope for the best.
Another nutty lot of bets but luckily the meeting comes but once a year
Hope you’ve got enough money to afford a rope Fist.
The last few months I’ve read post after post about how you know more than most in the game. I’ve read how you eff and blind at people becuase they have different opinions to you.
The last few days I’ve read how you rate Inglis Drever, Kauto Star, Albertas Run, Tazbar, Master Minded and Captain Cee Bee as near certainties – all short priced favourites, all very very well beaten, and all (if your bets are to be believed) have left your betting bank empty.
Well done on Binocular though, I guess one out of seven isn’t bad.
I’m not having a go at you Fist, I’m just sick to death of reading what I think sound like interesting threads (from the title) only for them to turn into a thread that tells us all about your bets, your ante-post bets, your betting history etc. It’s pretty tireless and boring to be honest, hence why I’ve made 3 or 4 posts in the last few weeks.
As always, I expect you to reply with a post about how you covered your bets on something else and you didn’t lose on the day.
Take care.
Mike
As far as Racing Post text commentary can tell me, Captain Cee Bee did not run well today.
Even beaten by Lazy Darren (Who?)
I think it would be fair to say that he ‘bounced’.
I was suprised that none of the presenters on Racing UK made the point that he had a break of four months, from November to The Supreme Novices (which was very gruelling: Thornton got a ban for his ride), and was then coming out only twenty-four days later; which is probably even more significant when you consider he’s a suspiciously lightly-raced 7YO.
So I wouldn’t give-up on him; but I wouldn’t be suprised if he turns to chasing next season.
Took a bit of the 12-1 on Captain Cee Bee for the 2009 champ hurdle but was hoping he’d drift so could get a bit more on him, so not overly concerned about todays loss, it now makes him a brilliant horse at better prices for next season.
This now poses the question as to whether he steps into chasing or stays hurdling, a decision to go chasing will ineveitably lead to taking on Masterminded when CCB is 9 years old, I can’t help but think McManus will be content to stay hurdling, which looks an easier division and CCB can definitely win hurdle races, at his best.
Pierrot Lunaires performance today has shortened up Binocular to joint fav with almost everyone now for 2009 Champ Hurdle, as low as 5-1.
I dont think there is anything suspicious about CCBs absence, he was gambled for the supreme novice and planned to run several times about a month on from then but kept getting pulled out due to the ground.
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