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Can we start a petition for the Fly to run in the Ascot Gold Cup? I think he would have as good a a chance as Fame and Glory has on all known form!
Only provided that Fame and Glory runs at Cheltenham in the return leg…
Otherwise my pen stays firmly in my pocket.
Ah come on forgive me, nearly all season I had to listen any amount of BS about how Grands Crus was "gonna do this and that" to BB and BB absolutely wiped the floor with him twice, the first time Grands Crus actually $hit himself as BB went over to butt him up the hill!!!
I think a little more care is needed from people posting about a champion 2 miler (who I love) going against probably the best 3m hurdler to have ever lived…over 3m….is all
Big Bucks is a good horse, but 3-mile hurdling is division 4.
Division 1 = 3 mile chasing
Division 2 = 2 mile hurdling
Division 3 = 2 mile chasing
Division 4 = 3 mile hurdling.
It’s the least prestigious and competitive divison of racing; if BB could jump he’d be a chaser, if he had speed he’d be a 2-mile hurdler.
The Fly is much superiorAh come on forgive me, nearly all season I had to listen any amount of BS about how Grands Crus was "gonna do this and that" to BB and BB absolutely wiped the floor with him twice, the first time Grands Crus actually $hit himself as BB went over to butt him up the hill!!!
I think a little more care is needed from people posting about a champion 2 miler (who I love) going against probably
the best 3m hurdler to have ever lived
…over 3m….is all
PMSL
And yes that was tongue in cheek BB
To be honest, can’t really argue with you. However I will say, if HF did step up to 3m and showed that he is equally as good as he is at 2m would it be the biggest surprise? HF has Grade 1 winning form in the book at 2m4f on bottomless ground, so is brilliant 3m form – brilliant enough to beat BB – really that much of an outrageous suggestion?
Different code granted, but you only have to look at Kauto Star in recent years to see that translating top class winning 2m form to 3m races within a short time is most definitely achievable.
Befair – I can’t take your view seriously, I’d be embarrassed if I were you but your call.
OneEye – at 20f on any ground i’d call a dead-heat, impossible to "know" either way but cases can be made both ways easily
At 3m…not meaning you but generally I don’t think people are that clued up on just what it takes to do what BB is doing…at Cheltenham Grands Crus cantered the whole way round, tanked along, cruised, crept into it…all the things H Fly does in his 2m races…at the same time, Big Bucks was lobbing, half-asleep, barely racing…in fact we can stop there…so we have a scenario on any ground over 3m where no matter what Fly is doing BB is doing it just as well or easier, as Fly’s stamina ebbs he nonetheless accelerates to challenge and only now is BB looking around him to see what’s going on…oh race…right…turbo, into the 180+rating he’s easily capable of, and powers away from Fly.
That’s what we’re talking about over 3m, extraordinary speed allied to extraordinary power, strength and stamina. Only one winner.
That’s why I was laughing, if these people stood in front of Ruby Walsh saying what they’re saying, he’d laugh and shrug and try to explain, like he did in his Chelts preview nights, and then probably just give up. Some people just don’t get it, is all.
Its all complete guesswork BB – including your own ramblings. So i don’t see what you are getting so upset about, apart from people disagreeing with your guessings with guessings of their own of course.
Betfairs post holds some water with me – the Stayers Hurdle holds less prestige than the Champion. This is the way it was, the way it is, and the way it will be.
Upset
Ah, ramblings, course they are, predicting performances has nothing to do with making the game pay does it…deary me…I’m expressing my opinion, which indirectly the poll is agreeing with, but why would I bother to begin to justify my opinion eh…just leave the ridiculous to the guessers, so be it
For the record – over 2m4f, The Fly. Thats my guess.
Over 3m, my guess would also be The Fly.
I think Big BUcks v Long Run 3 miles over fences would be more exciting…I would NOT be betting against the former I can tell you…before he returned to hurdles he looked to be shaping into an exciting 3 mile chaser and was unlucky in the Hennesy when he was very young and carrying a big weight and not stopping when he fell.
Mr NIcholls if you are reading this please send him over fences next autumn and then return to hurdles in time for CHelts if you want! PLEASE!!
Big Bucks
v
Hurricane fly
over
2,1/2m
Collateral form is the only way of assessing the outcome of this heavyweight clash,Karabak has been beaten by Big Bucks over 3m on all 3 occassions easily,Karabak has beaten Celestial Halo over 21/2m both running to marks of about 163,Celestial Halo has been beaten by Solwhit easily too over the trip and Binocular has beaten Celestial over 2m on several occassions,however Hurricane fly has laughed at Solwhit and Binocular over both 2m amd 21/2m touching the 170 mark.Big Bucks beating Won in the Dark at Aintree over 3m by 12 lengths and Hurricane Fy beating the same horse over 2m by 14 lengths at Leopardstown is probably the key piece of form as both races were run at the contenders ideal trips so to evaluate the winner over the intermediate trip of 21/2m suggests by just 1 length the winner is
Hurricane Fly
. That wasn’t too difficult to work out!
Surely it’s easier to use Mourad (& to a lesser extent Quevega) to assess the collateral form. His runs behind HF in the Hattons Grace and BB in the Stayers Hurdle suggest that there wouldn’t be too much between them over 2m4+.
BTW, Walsh said on RTÉ after Friday’s race that Hurricane Fly was the best hurdler he’d ever ridden. Read into that what you like…
Surely it’s easier to use Mourad (& to a lesser extent Quevega) to assess the collateral form. His runs behind HF in the Hattons Grace and BB in the Stayers Hurdle suggest that there wouldn’t be too much between them over 2m4+.
BTW, Walsh said on RTÉ after Friday’s race that Hurricane Fly was the best hurdler he’d ever ridden. Read into that what you like…
Your formlines concur with my own Imperial,suggesting barely a length would seperate them,of course there is only one man who can say which one would win and thats Ruby and if he says The Hurricane is the best he has ridden then that will do for me,mind you Hayley did assure me Syrian was a Guineas horse!
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