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June 17, 2009 at 20:51 #11790
Anyone backing anything drawn 20 and above?
June 17, 2009 at 20:58 #234733The thing to realise is that the Clerk of the Course can vary the amount of water applied to different parts of the track, so that the draw bias might disappear, or reassert in a different form. Having said that, I haven’t checked whether there will be any watering tonight.
June 17, 2009 at 23:03 #234775Agree Gerald, there may not be a draw advantage tomorrow, but it’s worth taking a chance.
Have taken 8/1 Brief Encounter, 18/1 River Captain and 25/1 Eastern Empire in the Britannia.
Mark
Value Is EverythingJune 17, 2009 at 23:17 #234782IT seems bookmakers are just shortening up those drawn low. Couldn’t get the 8/1 Brief Encounter but took the 25/1 Eastern Empire. Must be a strong a possibility Brief Encounter will go off favourite. All the horses I originally fancied are drawn high so just wondering whether it is worth risking one of them.
June 18, 2009 at 00:47 #234813IT seems bookmakers are just shortening up those drawn low. Couldn’t get the 8/1 Brief Encounter but took the 25/1 Eastern Empire. Must be a strong a possibility Brief Encounter will go off favourite. All the horses I originally fancied are drawn high so just wondering whether it is worth risking one of them.
Oddschecker still says 8’s is still available at Ladbrokes for Brief Encounter.
I suspect tomorrows Racing Post will be full of the draw advantage and it may be worth waiting to back a high draw if you’re thinking about it Stilvi. With the trade paper’s influence on the market most high draws are likely to drift.
Mark
Value Is EverythingJune 18, 2009 at 01:15 #234820IT seems bookmakers are just shortening up those drawn low. Couldn’t get the 8/1 Brief Encounter but took the 25/1 Eastern Empire. Must be a strong a possibility Brief Encounter will go off favourite. All the horses I originally fancied are drawn high so just wondering whether it is worth risking one of them.
Oddschecker still says 8’s is still available at Ladbrokes for Brief Encounter.
I suspect tomorrows Racing Post will be full of the draw advantage and it may be worth waiting to back a high draw if you’re thinking about it Stilvi. With the trade paper’s influence on the market most high draws are likely to drift.
Mark
Thanks, I must admit I was looking around for the 5 places so I didn’t look at Ladbrokes.
Just wondering given the expected lack of money for those drawn high whether any bookmakers will price up the two halves to generate some interest?
June 18, 2009 at 02:10 #234831Anonymous
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The thing to realise is that the Clerk of the Course can vary the amount of water applied to different parts of the track, so that the draw bias might disappear, or reassert in a different form. Having said that, I haven’t checked whether there will be any watering tonight.
They’d hardly spend millions on rebuilding the straight course, much of it on state-of-the-art drainage, to have to water out biases, now would they?
The only bias that exists is in the jockey’s heads, made abundantly clear by the wave of horses drawn 15-23 in today’s Hunt Cup, who inconvenienced their mounts more than a little by switching across the course to tag onto the near side group.
That isn’t to say exactly the same won’t happen tomorrow in the Britainnia, but it will have far more to do with the herd mentality than any ground inconsistency.
As it stands, there are enough prominent racers drawn high for lack of far-side pace not to be a problem, and at 13/2, I’m willing to take the risk that Desert Creek will have sufficient impetus, and prove the best of them.June 18, 2009 at 02:20 #234835Worryingly I’m on Eastern Empire too, as well as Mirrorred at 20-1. Reet is spot on- this is the fairest track ever built, unfortunately.
June 18, 2009 at 02:43 #234839Worryingly I’m on Eastern Empire too, as well as Mirrorred at 20-1. Reet is spot on- this is the
fairest track ever built
, unfortunately.
It might have been before they dug it up. Think the evidence suggests these days it favours a low draw, sometimes slightly, sometimes more so.
It is now in my opinion not the fairest course in Berkshire, let alone ever built.
Newbury
Mark
Value Is EverythingJune 18, 2009 at 03:02 #234841I think you’ll find by the end of the week that if a decent group stay far side and get a good tow they’ll be competitive. As Reet says, any bias is more to do with the jockeys all deciding to come stand side than due to any inherent difference in the two sides. I’ll be on the lay side if you want to bet that horses like Lovelace were seroiusly inconvenienced by their draws this week.
btw, I think everybody knows your name by nowJune 18, 2009 at 03:22 #234844Anonymous
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Make that three on Eastern Empire, though I’ve had to accept 20/1 as I don’t have a Blue Square account any more.
I also quite like the look of Secret Society – he perhaps isn’t brilliantly drawn in the centre of the track, but a strong pace should suit and he won extremely well (in the end) last time.
June 18, 2009 at 17:00 #234974Appears to be no money for Eastern Empire which is a little worrying considering he is drawn well and looks progressive. Interesting support for Emirates Roadshow given that the horse pulls hard, has a high head carriage and the jockey is probably low on confidence. Of the high numbers some support for Mirrored who along with Espiritu and Suruor would have been one of my fancies from the high numbers.
June 18, 2009 at 17:14 #234982I think you’ll find by the end of the week that if a decent group stay far side and get a good tow they’ll be competitive. As Reet says, any bias is more to do with the jockeys all deciding to come stand side than due to any inherent difference in the two sides. I’ll be on the lay side if you want to bet that horses like Lovelace were seroiusly inconvenienced by their draws this week.
Just there is a bias Carv, that’s not to say it is impossible to win from a high draw. Obviously pace is going to be another factor, if the best pace is far side it’s possible that side will win a race or two, despite the bias.
With bunching towards the stand side, there is also the probability of some trouble in running for those held up drawn near the rail. Just a chance you’ve got to take.
Fingers crossed.
Value Is EverythingJune 18, 2009 at 17:33 #234987Anonymous
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Deadly Secret 40/1 ew could run a big race. Bit of a gamble last time that went wrong but he could be better than his bare form suggests.
June 18, 2009 at 19:36 #235008Big draw bias all right Ginger, at least a neck
June 18, 2009 at 19:38 #235009What a line!
June 18, 2009 at 21:00 #235022Big draw bias all right Ginger, at least a neck
As I said Carv, the bias is only part of the race. Pace is also vitally important. As the commentator said, the far side was in front halfway. With the obvious low drawn pace horse River Captain not acting on the going, they were some way behind. Despite that, one who raced in the stand side group won.
Had the pace been level then…….
Shame about the bias Carv, otherwise you would’ve had the winner. Unlucky.
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