Britain – a democracy? Oh yeah – read on…

[Ian]

Lawdy Ian. You claim that the media in this country is under strong Labour influence but at the last count as far as I can see of the 9 national dailies in the UK 6 of them are traditional Tory supporters, the Mirror and the Guardian are Labour and the Indy plough their own Ecowarrior furrow.
Is 66% Tory supporting national newspapers not enough for you?
You claim that it will come to a choice for voting for the BNP or Islamic Law. Do you not think there are enough right thinking people in the UK who would stop either happening? At the last European election around 900k people out of a population of 60 million voted for the BNP (admittedly not all 60 million are eligible to vote.) Do you know that the BNP have struggled to field candidates in the past because by their own admission so many of their supporters have convictions for serious criminal offences which bar them from standing?
Do you know how many muslims live in this country Ian? It is estimated to be around 3% or less. In your view how long will it take for Muslims to take over this country and impose sharia law either by democratic or military means? How will they achieve this in the face of opposition from the 97% of the population who are not Muslim??

You are missing the point totally about the media. Tory / Labour its all the same they are both part of a Pro European elite little group that offer virtually no difference from each other on any major policy. The days are gone where Labour were left and the working mans party and Tory were right and for the toffs. Did you know they almost never filmed the last of the Summer Wine series because Bill Owen was Labour and Peter Salis tory and their politics clashed so much that they couldn’t get on and it caused such a problem? That would certainly never happen nowadays. Labour / Tory they look at the next five years what it takes to get into power and that is pretty much that.

Right minded people? A lot are in denial, "it’ll never happen". They once said that in the US about a black President. They once said that in the UK about black / Asian UK politicians and policemen. Not that I’m saying it was right for people to have that attitude but they did and it did happen. They also said we’d never walk on the moon. Of course "it will happen" if people allow it and people are allowing Islamic ways to slowly sneak into prominance already.

There surely can’t be anyone that believes the official figures regarding Muslims in the Uk. Come on no-one believes any figures on population or immigration. 3 million? There are more than twice that. Lets not forget once the Uk becomes part of a European state that Europe were joined to (politically) will soon include an estimated 80 million Islamic Turks. Its not just about the UK the UK will be governed 100% bu European law. Europe has way too much influence over us already. Interestingly the Ministry Of Defence believe that within a decade British society will begin to break down because of the influence of Islam. personally I don’t think it will be as soon as that, more 20 – 30 years but it shows the reality of the threat we face. We have to break out of the EU thats the first step if we don’t do that we WILL become part of an Islamic state eventually.

The BNP have had criminal members I agree but that party isn’t the party it once was. It was formed on the back of the National Front but it has evolved rather like Labour and Tory have. Neither of those parties are the parties they once were either.

Whilst were talking criminal politicians two points ;

Labour are trying to enforce a law to stop the BNP getting access to European documents that the BNP claim will shake this country to its foundations in a scandal ten times the recent expenses one. They want to see jail terms on the back of what they believe they will find but they are being stopped from uncovering whatever there is to uncover and that is probably against European law. The matter continues for the time being it will be interesting to see if Labour can stop the BNP getting at the content.

Point two – It was only a couple or three weeks ago (maybe a month) that two Labour councilors (ex one’s I think from memory) were given jail sentences – One for a racial attack on a Polish woman and the other for Paedophilia. Both fact if you wish to check them out (not that they were very prominant in the national news).

If you want crooked look as much to the left as you would to the right.

[Seven Towers]

You are missing the point totally about the media.
ST – You stated that the media operated under the strong influence of the Labour government, I believe you are wrong in this respect.

Tory / Labour its all the same they are both part of a Pro European elite little group that offer virtually no difference from each other on any major policy.
ST – I totally agree with your point here but my reaction to this is not "Vote for the BNP or we’ll be forced to become a Muslim state." We have ended up with the government and politicians we deserve as a result of widespread voter apathy. All political parties need to get their acts together to get everyone out to vote rather than the aging die hards who make up the current (small,) electorate. There is plenty of middle ground between the BNP and an Islamic Caliphate being established in the UK.

Of course "it will happen" if people allow it and people are allowing Islamic ways to slowly sneak into prominance already.

ST – Do you have some examples of these Islamic ways that have snuck into prominence?

There surely can’t be anyone that believes the official figures regarding Muslims in the Uk. Come on no-one believes any figures on population or immigration. 3 million? There are more than twice that.

ST – I didn’t suggest there were 3 million muslims in this country, I asserted that they made up 3% of the population (c 2 million,) are you suggesting that there are 6 million muslims in the country? That 10% of the population are muslims? If you are I’d be interested in seeing the evidence for this.

Lets not forget once the Uk becomes part of a European state that Europe were joined to (politically) will soon include an estimated 80 million Islamic Turks. Its not just about the UK. Interestingly the Ministry Of Defence believe that within a decade British society will begin to break down because of the influence of Islam. personally I don’t think it will be as soon as that, more 20 – 30 years but it shows the reality of the threat we face.

ST – I’d be interested to see where the MOD have suggested this.

The BNP have had criminal members I agree but that party isn’t the party it once was. It was formed on the back of the National Front but it has evolved rather like Labour and Tory have. Neither of those parties are the parties they once were either.

Whilst were talking criminal politicians two points ;

Labour are trying to enforce a law to stop the BNP getting access to European documents that the BNP claim will shake this country to its foundations in a scandal ten times the recent expenses one. They want to see jail terms on the back of what they believe they will find but they are being stopped from uncovering whatever there is to uncover and that is probably against European law. The matter continues for the time being it will be interesting to see if Labour can stop the BNP getting at t he content.

ST – I have missed this in the news, can you send me a link? Personally I’m against any legislature that restricts information being freely available to its citizens.

Point two – It was only a couple or three weeks ago (maybe a month) that two Labour councilors (ex one’s I think from memory) were given jail sentences – One for a racial attack on a Polish woman and the other for Paedophilia. Both fact if you wish to check them out.

If you want crooked look as much to the left as you would to the right.

ST – I am aware of the cases you have mentioned and agree that anyone who has committed a crime should be punished and that criminality in politics is not confined to the BNP and their supporters.

I have just had my first child Ian and the bleak picture of Britain is not familiar to me, and is not the sort of place I would like to bring up my daughter. I broadly agree with some of the things you say but disagree on some others and am wondering what they are based on – the wonders of internet debate! So if you could fill in some of the gaps for me with regards to some of your points above I would be much obliged.

[Ian]

Seven Towers I agree the bleak picture isn’t very comforting, sorry for making you miserable .

I will answer your points later mate and find the links, give me a couple of days and I’ll get back to you. If I forget let me know and I’ll get on to it. I’m making none of it up I promise you.

Right now though I’m off to bed, finished a night shift at 10AM so I’m sure you’ll appreciate I’m struggling to keep my eyes open right now.

[dave jay]

At the last European election around 900k people out of a population of 60 million voted for the BNP

.. the problem with statements like that is ..

Only 2,080,613 voted Lib Dem, that’s just twice as many as BNP (943,598) .. so for every two people that voted Lib Dem one voted BNP. Compared against a population of 60M.

[Seven Towers]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldne … itain.html

It looks like my estimate of 3 million muslims in the UK was a gross overestimate as the true population is a little over half that.

I hope this goes some way to allaying your fears Ian as there are certainly not over 6 million muslims in this country as you suggested.

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