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Clearly both sides made incorrect predictions or told outright lies. Two wrongs don’t make a right.
Fact is nobody really seems able to say that we’re better or worse off so I have to wonder what the point of leaving was. We’ve lost many privileges such as freedom of movement and frictionless trade with 30 or so of our nearest neighbours (despite of course ‘absolutely nobody talking about leaving the single market’, forget which liar said it).
As for employment, the main difference seems to be that there’s a ridiculous amount of vacancies that nobody is filling particularly in hospitality and care. Loads of places begging for staff and simply can’t find them. Why aren’t the Brits who had their job stolen by those rotten forriners applying?
Why work when others will pay taxes for there benefits …..
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Or why on earth would anyone want to join it now after their true colours were shown.
Nasty bunch of bastards who only want the UK as their cashcow.
Cameron approached them and they did not want to know!‘Nasty bunch of bastards who only want the UK as their cashcow.
Cameron approached them and they did not want to know!’Drivel. Presumably they are now struggling without their ‘cash cow’? Thought not. What was Cameron supposed to get exactly? We already had significant opt outs from the Euro and Schengen. How much more of a special case did we want or need to be?
Or why on earth would anyone want to join it now after their true colours were shown.
Nasty bunch of bastards who only want the UK as their cashcow.
Cameron approached them and they did not want to know!We originally joined the common market some time in the seventies (75) although we applied in the sixties but was vetoed by France for sinking their Navy during the war. I think France as been screwing us ever since. I can’t see what we got out of the common market.
You've got to accentuate the positive.
Eliminate the negative.
Latch on to the affirmative.
Don't mess with mister in between.What we have gained is not having to fight against the one way slow descent into a dysfunctional “superstate”
It’s changed since the vote with Eastern European nations especially turning against that project but at the time we were virtually a lone voice (bar Denmark maybe)
I deal with SMEs daily and our company law is very flexible and greatly geared towards enterprise (world trade bank confirms our advantage here) The European model is largely the opposite and quite dismal in many states. That’s only one area but the pressure to comply with a clumbersome pan European model would build and with a dedicated pro Eu party In Charge here, would probably be imposed
It might seem like a small issue but it isn’t. It’s one of the reasons we are way ahead in investment in small hi tech sectors compared with Germany and France. And these are without doubt the future
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Lost 130 billion what? How?
There is no evidence either way that we are “worse off”. For a start covid threw all calculations
and secondly it’s way way too early to tell. You would have to see at least a five year cycle for
thatOne thing is certain that most of the obsessive remainers predictions at the time just seem comical now”
———————————————-Clive this isn’t some remainers prediction, it’s what’s actually happening. From Bloomberg 10/01/2020…….
The economic cost of Brexit has already hit £130 billion with a further £70 billion set to be added by the end of this year.
Research by Bloomberg Economics shows the British economy is now 3 per cent smaller than it could have been had the relationship with the EU been maintained.
and this from the HM Treasury, pre pandemic……….
The negative impact on GDP would also result in substantially weaker tax receipts, significantly outweighing any potential gain from reduced financial contributions to the EU. After 15 years, even with savings from reduced contributions to the EU, receipts would be £20 billion a year lower in the central estimate of the EEA, £36 billion a year lower for the negotiated bilateral agreement and £45 billion a year lower for the WTO alternative.
So it’s not la la land, or even my drummed up idea. This is actually happening, even without covid,
which no doubt will have it’s own negative impact.Does everyone else know what an SME is?
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I've walked and I crawled on six crooked highwaysThank you.
I really should have known that!I've stumbled on the side of twelve misty mountains
I've walked and I crawled on six crooked highwaysAt last, a Brexit bonus; Sinn Fein now the largest party in the N Ireland assembly. Unionists won’t accept a nationalist First Minister, so we can expect even more political paralysis.
When Northern Ireland voted to remain in the EU a united Ireland was inevitable. And so it should be imo. Having said that if Scotland gains its independence I can only foresee problems with having a border across the north of England.
I foresaw problems in Northern Ireland and Scotland in the event of a Brexit vote, its part of the reason I voted remain. It was the patriotic choice.
Moe, I thought a border between England and Scotland already exists. I thought it was Hadrian’s Wall just need some repair work and some Italians or Romans to patrol it.
You've got to accentuate the positive.
Eliminate the negative.
Latch on to the affirmative.
Don't mess with mister in between.
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