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It depends on the criteria given to the search company to find the right man ,until we know what that is , its castles in the air !!!
However …A bookie rep heading up the Bha is just not acceptable under any circumstances , the governance of racing should have an element of autonomy …under this appointment , there will be no room for that , the bookies have their man , he will do whatever the betting industry wants or needs
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o believe otherwise is living in cloud cuckoo land
A shambles
imo
Why was it "acceptable" then to have a big(ish) owner in the job?
So, if they’d appointed Peter Savill, would he have only looked after owners? If they’d appointed Mrs Gosden, would she have only looked after her small clique? Has Sean Boyce not got a mind of his own on ATR?Yes, there will be a chance Rust will be too bookmaker friendly. But you could also say, at last there is someone in the job who understands british bookmakers and can work with them to find a better racing product. Instead of treating bookmakers as racing’s pariah. With an ex-bookie in charge bookmakers will find it more difficult to complain/moan that this or that won’t work.
Value Is EverythingGinger
dear boy you will have to
read my post again .,
look at criteria and think about it ….
rambling on does not serve any purpose .
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Now you’re suggesting gc should not ask TRFers to name their prefered choice if not Rust. ie You’re saying people should express "an opinion" on Rust, but should not be allowed to express an opinion on who could do the job better. That, to my mind is double standards.
May be it is you who should "learn to read" Yeats, because I don’t see that gc ever said what you claim. All gc is asking for is: If people are going to criticise the appointment of Rust, ie if Rust is not the best man for the job… Then surely they should come up with an alternative. Gc was in no way extolling the virtues of Rust.
A pointless exercise Gingertipster unless you know who the other names on the high quality list were. If Rust is the right man for the job why didn’t you and graysonscolumn put him up before he was appointed?
Have you even heard of him before? Or held him in high regard?Much more interesting would be the other names on the high quality list? Do you know them?
Much more interesting would be the other names on the high quality list? Do you know them?
That is exactly the point Yeats. Without knowing who was on that list, you and nobody else knows if Rust was or was not the best person for the job.
But this is a forum about opinions and people have expressed an opinion without knowing those on that list. Fair enough, everyone is entitled to their opinion. Gc has asked people who’ve criticised Rust’s appointment who they’d rather see in the job instead? What’s wrong with that?
You don’t need to know who’s on the list to have an opinion. Could be anyone. But if someone is criticising one appointment surely they have an idea of an alternative?
Giving any opinion on here is a "pointless exercise", nobody is going to take any notice of us. May be we should all stop posting?
Value Is EverythingMuch more interesting would be the other names on the high quality list? Do you know them?
That is exactly the point Yeats. Without knowing who was on that list, you and nobody else knows if Rust was or was not the best person for the job.
But this is a forum about opinions and people have expressed an opinion without knowing those on that list. Fair enough, everyone is entitled to their opinion. Gc has asked people who’ve criticised Rust’s appointment who they’d rather see in the job instead? What’s wrong with that?
You don’t need to know who’s on the list to have an opinion. Could be anyone. But if someone is criticising one appointment surely they have an idea of an alternative?
Well nearly everyone who has criticised the appointment have not put up an alternative have they, why would that be?
Why would someone so vehemently opposed as ricky lake not want to put up someone as an alternative?
Because it’s a daft question without all the facts etc.We do know Rust’s background and where he’s come from so can criticise the appointment.
On your train of thought anyone can have the job without criticism because you don’t know who the other candidates were.
If you think Rust should be given a chance why didn’t you put him up if available before he was appointed?
Much more interesting would be the other names on the high quality list? Do you know them?
A spokesman for a business is duty-bound to spout ‘high quality’ about a list of candidates for the top job; to do otherwise would suggest the eventual choice is the best of a mediocre or bad bunch
No business, or at least one not answerable to shareholders, has to reveal a list of candidates but we ‘stakeholders’
would find it interesting. Anyone know if the names can be found anywhere?The appointment of Mr Rust is unsettling though hardly a shock given that Racing’s collection of acronyms have been willingly taking it up their rectums from Mr Bookmaker for years
As for an ideal candidate I’m of the opinion it should be someone with a proven track record in business who has absolutely no history nor necessarily any particular interest in horse racing. Just run it as a business as any other business should be run: neutrally, not having a vested interest in any particular part of the conglomerate
Stuart Rose (ex M&S) and Phillip Green (Arcadia) are types who would fit the bill
Yes Drone , agree in full …someone who would run racing as a business would have been good ….sadly we got a bookie rep
Hey ho
Its the proverbial drink in a brewery syndrome , but hardly a surprise given the antics to date
O
ne small query , do we think this guy will release the zarooni files for all to see ???
Best to wish ourselves luck with that one
Much more interesting would be the other names on the high quality list? Do you know them?
A spokesman for a business is duty-bound to spout ‘high quality’ about a list of candidates for the top job; to do otherwise would suggest the eventual choice is the best of a mediocre or bad bunch
No business, or at least one not answerable to shareholders, has to reveal a list of candidates but we ‘stakeholders’
would find it interesting. Anyone know if the names can be found anywhere?The appointment of Mr Rust is unsettling though hardly a shock given that Racing’s collection of acronyms have been willingly taking it up their rectums from Mr Bookmaker for years
As for an ideal candidate I’m of the opinion it should be someone with a proven track record in business who has absolutely no history nor necessarily any particular interest in horse racing. Just run it as a business as any other business should be run: neutrally, not having a vested interest in any particular part of the conglomerate
Stuart Rose (ex M&S) and Phillip Green (Arcadia) are types who would fit the bill
Yep, I was just about to make the exact same point.
Many top businesses nowadays appoint executives from outside their narrow purview (and there’s none so narrow as racing’s) as it has the advantages of a ‘clean slate’ mentality as they come with no previous baggage.
I was trying to find details of the remuneration package that came with Mr Rust’s job but couldn’t. He looks like a bit of a third-rate appointment probably because that’s all the BHA could afford.
Whatever the BHA are paying, I doubt if it would get Stuart Rose or Philip Green out of bed much before midday.
Mike
Rose, Green, Sugar, Branson, Rust…they’d all face the same problem that’s beset the BHA, and racing, since the fixtures were surrendered to racecourses: what business can run to its optimum when it doesn’t own the product it’s selling?
How would the premier league fare if the clubs owned 98% of the fixtures?
It’s the structure that’s broken, not those hired to run it. Hopefully some CEO will find a way to get them back.
We do know Rust’s background and where he’s come from so can criticise the appointment.
On your train of thought anyone can have the job without criticism because you don’t know who the other candidates were.
No, I just think anyone who is against Rust should have an alternative in mind. Otherwise I’ll just presume they’d find a reason to criticise the appointment of whoever it was. Like many on here seem to these days.
Value Is EverythingWatching the morning line yesterday ….Dave Yeats ,,,saying Bittar was best sine sliced pan , GC saying it was a good appointment for dealing with bookies !!!
Made me despair
….no thought , rubber stamp all , syphocancy ..at its worst …no wonder racing cannot progress with dolts like these
Shocking
…imo etcLike it or not, the future of racing is inextricably linked to and dependent on its relationship with bookmakers. Whoever is in charge needs to understand that relationship and understand the compromises racing may have to make for its own greater good.
racing is certainly inextricably linked to betting.
but to bookmakers ? not so inextricably, looking around the world.
it might help Brit racing to have people who do not think down historic tramlines.
but Chief Execs traditionally are expected to make the best of what’s available to them, rather than to chase what might be.
after all, the Premier League was not born by consent of the Football League, but by the biggest participants in the FL getting together outside it.
Well said Wit …at last someone who sees the bigger picture ….being complicit or deemed to be complicit with the betting industry is the kiss of death
Welcome to the real world folks
Yes indeed. What I should have said was probably… "Like it or not, racing is currently inextricably linked to and dependent on its relationship with bookmakers."
appointment announced just as latest Levy consultation closed – including concept of bookies having to apply for a "racing right" licence to be able to take bets on horses:
Well said Wit …at last someone who sees the bigger picture ….being complicit or deemed to be complicit with the betting industry is the kiss of death
Welcome to the real world folks
What is it that bookmakers are doing that is so bad Ricky?
Forget the sound bytes and cliches; what do you actually want them to do and stop doing?
Value Is Everything
would find it interesting. Anyone know if the names can be found anywhere?
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