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GGD’s post provides ample demonstration of the need to make the Daily Mail a controlled substance. A lot of people think they can handle it, but the odd copy soon turns into a year’s subscription and before you know where you are, you’re writing angry letters to the BBC and boycotting Japanese cars. Just say no, kids.
I am curious about one thing (well many, many things actually, but I’ll just stick to one).
Oh for a Britain with white picket fences and hedgehogs and bowler hats
Did the hedgehogs have little umbrellas as well? Is that what people in the country get up to – dressing all the mammals. That’s rather sweet.<br>
A rattling post GGD, and although I couldn’t say I agreed with all of the many points you made, I agree with enough of them and with the general pitch.
Aranalde, had a chuckle at your Daily Mail comment.
Going back to an earlier point re. the decline of manufacturing industry in this country. Whilst Thatcher’s policies may not have done manufacturing too much good, it’s also fair to say that whoever had been in power, manufacturing here was doomed to decline.<br>Shipbuilding was stuffed by a combination of Thatcher, Far Eastern efficiency and (outrageously) tonnage limitations imposed the EU!<br>Even with a helpful EU (if such is possible) and the most benevolent of governments and helpful unions (not a common thing in those days) , the low-cost, high-tech Far East manufacturers would have been enough to invoke decline. Maybe Thatcher knew that and thus put her efforts into ensuring the UK’s Financial and service sectors weren’t incumbered by heavy handed bureaucracy: maybe not.
Thats one heck of a good post GGD.
Whats your views on immigration? :angry: :angry:
To me, its the one thing thats doing un-told damage to this country.
I reckon that GGD’s post is really what forums are for .. I can agree with quite a bit of it and disagree with probably the same amount. The bit about a ‘Unison Revolution’ is brilliant .. I left the Labour party because of those types of people and their total lack of respect for everyone who isn’t like them. I remember going to a Labour party meeting one night and we were all talking afterwards about this that and the other. I was the only person their who didn’t work for the government and had a proper job .. says it all for me.<br>
Thanks Dave jay; exactly where I am coming from. In Wales, a rural celtic culture apart from Cardiff Newport and Swansea (and they are completely surrounded heh heh) we got stuffed by Thatcher and now Blair.<br>Mrs T screwed the miners, and Blair the Steelworkers and now the farmers. Enough is enough.
When I was a supermarket worker we talked about pay and conditions sensibly. We even spent lots of time working out how to make the compnay more profitable. <br>Even with a crappy shopworkers Union people were defnded from abuse etc.<br>Then I became a teacher. Suddenly I would sit in  a union meeting with a fag and the Sporting life and half a dozen betting slips, listening to the "tut tut horse racing is cruel" and "no wonder the kids are smoking when the teachers set a bad example" and "we should rename the sixth form nelson mandela towers" and <br>" we can’t do anything with these thick working class kids" and "save the whale" and " what strange clothes you wear Mr Dent (I wore a suit and wicklepickers and and didn’t own a novelty or crimplene tie) and "the kids should not be able to wear make up as it is sexist" and "gambling Mr. Dent?tut tut" and "OMG the Hunt is chasing a fox across the school field Murderers!"
Not once did I hear anyone else but me say "this national Curriculum is a load of lowest common denominatior b****x" or " sod taking Thatcher’s offer of extra money of it means selling out our professional integrity" .
I have never before or since come across such a load of snivelling middle class pseudo intellectual elitist moralistic filth in all my life.
I have since mixed with Royalty, top jumps owners, Aristocrats,….and all the working class people that are horse mad from miners to dustmen to stable staff . I have never found elitism or smobbery. A little on the flat(and that is usually corporate hospitality giving their FUNCTIONAIRRES a day out…OMG you should have seen their faces when us and prince fahd used to have a laugh) but not over jumps; and the Trainers and jocks are the MOST accessible sportsmen/women in the world.
It is the working class and the upper classes that are bonded through the horse. The middle class do not know what it is. They fear it. they fear "THE CRAIC" above all. Thier lily livered bodies do not have red blood in them.
They haven’t got the courage to sit on a horse, risk the housekeeping on a bet, get p**s<br>ed till you can’t stand up, have a laugh with a hooker, they CAN’T dance to save their lives; they are afraid to smoke let us be honest; they think champagne and fur coats and Jaguars are ostentatious; they can’t walk in high heels or put liquid eyeliner on; they have "soft tailored suits" instead of jermyn Street crombies; they do not know what a trilby is and laugh at high fashion, nervously; they were never punks but tell their "Green Day" children they were; they think a Doctor marten is something you give to one of those strange pedigree dogs; they think only hookers wear stockings and suspenders and would faint if their wives ever wore them; never mind how many times you tell them they do not understand the offside rule or the fact that £5 each way comes to a tenner…and don’t even try to explain odds like 13/2 to them; they think that meat is grown in cellophane wrappers and would pass out if you gave them a rabbit or a pheasant; they cannot see it is beneficial for conservation that there is hunting even when every conservationist is screaming at them that we face mass extinctions if they do not adress the real issues; they go a funny colour when you call a spade a spade BUT CANNOT accept real multic culturalism like halal meat and girls wearing burkas to school or seen the look of simmering sexuality through a yashmak; they celebrate tokenism and banal similarity rather than embrace the excitement of real cultural exchange; they put slug pellets down that have made hedgehogs virtually extinct to protect their pathetic gardens; they think smoking near them is like getting an AK47 out; they don’t know what an AK47 or a Sherman tank or a Stuka are because as kids they were not allowed to play with war toys; they never owned a Barbie or an Action Man ;they think films with Clint Eastwood are right wing propaganda; they think there IS a difference between the Daily Mail and the Guardian and you may aswell read mein kampf as read the Telegraph; they think polo is for posh people and grin nervously if you introduce them to an Afghan or an Argentinian who undertands it is not; they ONLY listen to DEAD Indians instead of live ones; they drink gallons of latte without ANY realisation of what coffee and palm oil do to leopards yet have a frilly if your girlfriend wears her grannies leopard coat; they have NEVER experenced the sensuality of a smokey kiss; never had a line of speed but have a multitude of different words for the filthy weed they try to legalise; they remember the Vapors but never realised that turning Japanese was about masturbation (which they pretend they never do unless they have had a bit nuch Jacob’s creek); they do not know the correct use of an avocado is sexual; they put their HAND over champagne intead of spraying it around; they pretend to like real ale but are sick when they have had two pints of real scrumpy; they play BADMINTON and think it is a sport (!); they accuse you of being racist if you are having a blisteringly fun argument about ball tampering in the Indian, and drop their jaws when you start talking about Kipling and using cheetah as hunting animals in the days of the raj and the local Bangladeshi waiters wink and join in  the fun; they are anti hunting cos they are miffed they never got invited to the Hunt ball and the odd one that went told horror stories of debauchery;<br>they had a dope cake once and pretend they did acid; they think the cresta run is a kid’s soft drink; and they think…and here is the really funny part….that GORDON BROWN has made a good job of the economy!!!!!!
THAT is what I mean by petit bourgeois, whether they are supporting Thatcher or Blair.
Now I wouldn’t mind, but I am SICK of them forcing that crap down my throat and stopping us all having a craic.
On the immigration thing? I think we should allow anyone here who is going to work and add something to our culture, even if it is diversity.<br>My god we would never have had cricket and polo and sah alloo and bangra beat if we had that attitude!
What we should be talking about is getting rid of the craic and smack heads who are on £350 a week from the state; not the polish and Czech stable staff who have proppped up our racing industry because the big issue sellers are scared to go near a horse or won’t pick up horse s***.
So I can’t agree with you on that. Bring on the Russians I say…..they will give the petit bourgois heart attacks!
As for the health thing. Helicobactor DOES kill people. Smoking MAY kill people. The science is very very poor, and governments and press have surpressed ALL evidence that proves it. I can produce a thread that goes on for 100 pages on that; do not tempt me. There is a Greek scientist who has written a massive and complex expose of virtually ALL poor and biased scientific evidence about smoking. No need to. Wait. You will know in about 5 years when they have made all our lives a misery and set us against each other in order to screw ans extra 70 billion pounds out of us smokers in tax and made about double that for pharmacutical companies and the medical profession. It is a huge con. <br>And nobody is listening to real scientists saying so as usual. It isn’t good for you sure; neither is riding horses or anything that is fun. <br>Remember they used to say ulcers were the fault if foreign spicy foods, late nights, stress, smoking, too much alcohol, coffee, tea, etc? All blaming the sufferer so they could sell you "remedies". Go and look in Boots and see how many products there are for upset tummies and acid indigestion. A £1 anti biotic cures it. No need for ANY people to die of stomach cancer and burst ulcers.
Then there was cervical cancer. first that was "proven" to be smoking related. then it was girls being slags. All the time it was pappiloma.
Look up virus and lung cancer on the net. You will have a shock. Scientists are saying at least 60% is virus related.
you cannot get virusses by smoking.
Diatribe over. I am an artist remember? that is my job. We used to be listened to until capitalism found they could control  dim pop stars from an early age with no life experience ; pop stars with a "controlled" agenda better. Wouldn’t have happened in Jaques Louis David’s day!
Minstrels. F*****g minstrels standing on stage with Bush and Blair telling them what is wrong with Africa.; so the lot of them can carve it up for global industry. Well here is a novel idea. ASK THE BANTU.
best regards all; and please remember it is a humorous diatribe.
Dave Dent
PS anyone coming to cheptsow can have a look at my series of limited edition entiled the "way we were".
Paul Nicholls and Nick littmoden got it immediately and bought them, as have others. They picture Dick Francis in 1955; Arkle in 1964; Red Rum in 1975; And desrt orcid in 1989. They ra epictures about fashion and lifestyle in the days before Blair. They are SHOCKING to many….disturbing to others. Yet so normal just afew years ago. They are about an age of innocence, elegance, and real heroes. Some people cannot look at them. Every picture I do has hidden meaning; challenges prejudice and our security of thinking. There are women in furs and people smoking. In an age where Tom and jerry is banned for having smoking; we are doomed. It will not be long before they start burning books.
Some people do not like the gritty realism and snorting exertions of horses in action. Too much in ya face. And they positively pass out when they see my coursing images. And the orange ones I do with the Count of Argenton about adrenalin and the "PUR SANG" …well they just can’t handle the glorious violence within the fighter that the horse is. <br>Anyone who thinks I am an Artist to make money must ask themselves why I do not paint chocloate box pictures of classic horses side on; or copy over photos.
because that is NOT what horse racing is about.
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The BNP are filth but will capitalise on the alienation of the working class from Blair’s vision.<br>Many urban w/c people are now mighty p****d off. When people get p****d off they tend to look at the nearest available whipping boy. Sad.
You should read the BNP manifesto on agriculture. It is so scary I think I would prefer Anne Widdecombe (also filth….guards with faux fur busbies made from OIL indeed).
I never met a middle class woman with stiockings and suspenders and have been slapped a few time for checking. Never got a slap from an upper class or a working class girl though….had apologies that they were not wearing any but normally do kind of a vibe.
Errr sorry to our Lady members…I am not really sexist.
Ohaly for a bit of fun , on my myspace blog, i have made a test.<br>It is called "Take the test of what social class you are",<br>and is an irreverant and pythonesque questionairre. It should help clarify what i am taking about though. New labour have NOTHING to do with working class values and everything to do with petit bourgeois oppression of working and upper classes and everything they hold dear about Britain.
Until they go my Union Jack will be the green one.
Have a go at my class test anyway for a laugh. <br>http://www.myspace.com/davedent
ps it doesn’t bother me when people smoke weed. It makes me blow my top when New labour people used to come round MY house and break up MY fags when they didn’y noramlly smoke without even asking; and those same scumbags are saying I can’t smoke in a pub? lemme at em……
When the law comes in we shall sack our staff and have a warning on the door that it is a smoking zone. We meay even call it the Dent’s Gallery and smoking lounge!<br>No fascist new labour prat is ever going to tell me what to do when they say that smoking is killing people and yet they rain bombs down on people’s heads.
Oh and Aranalde. the decline of the hedgehog is due almost entirely to pannel fencing, decking, slug pellets and rat poison. White picket fences allowed free movement from garden to garden. My bank manger had one around his garden and he was the last man in my town with a bowler hat. He had lots of hedgehogs as did my nan who thought he was wonderful and copied his fence.<br>I have no feelings about umbrellas though am currently designing a collection for the stylish racegoer.
The Daily Mail is a complete load of petit bourgeois crap. they comptomise themselves by racist crap like what was in their paper yesterday, and by having the odd frilly about seal hunting. I have Inuit friends and they are not amused by such cultural prejudice. Check my myspace for waht they think.<br>I am a Telegraph man. Or Alan Lee in the Times.
oh and yes I am quite proud of being bonkers. Beats banging on the head and having to say "is you there zomb?" to my New labour friends.<br>
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Well now you’ve spoiled the image I had of hedgehogs in bowler hats. For me the countryside will never be the same again. :biggrin:
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Notwithstanding the rather quaint stockings and suspenders fetish, one of the best series of posts on this forum that I have seen. In all the long years of debate over fox-hunting I had never come across any hunt advocate who even came close to putting a convincing case.
You’ve given me plenty to think about and that is what a forum should do.
GGD is more than a little chopsy-but talks a lot of sense,imo.
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Bloody hell GGD :shocking: I now know that my football team are a load of "Japanese".
All football teams are a load of "japanese" next to National Hunt jockeys. Don’t see them writhing on the floor in agony even with broken wrists and collarbones.
Well I am aghast to see so much support and thanks. I ususally try to challenge people but I suppose this is more intellectual a forum than most.
HOWEVER. Some of you seem to be having a problem with one of the cornerstones of the New traditionalism.:biggrin: :o
Suspenders quaint? Outdated?<br>Not heard of Burlesque?<br>You need to get with the programme folks.<br>The new film that is just hitting the box office is about Betty Paige. And even that is two years late…most of us were up with things two years ago…don’t you know Basques and suspenders is the new feminism?
http://www.evenca.it/Dita_Von_Teese/Dit … ese_00.jpg
That is Dita; marilyn Mansons wife. She was voted most influential woman in the world a few weeks ago in some WOMENS magazine.
Here is Eden Wells. you can meet her on my site; but she is one of the most popular models at the moment too. Scroll down and view the pics
http://www.onemodelplace.com/member.cfm?ID=119520
Then have a look at one of my models on my site, Miss Theresa. She is a Photographer, Grapic artist and model. Highly intelligent and very strong willed feminist.
http://www.myspace.com/davedent
PORN IS DEAD. THIS IS THE NEW WOMANS MOVEMENT.<br>BLAIR’S BABES ARE HISTORY.<br>LONG LIVE THE NEW GLAMOUR!!!
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Well they do nothing for me, always something I associate with my grandparent’s generation. Still – whatever floats your boat.
I presume the reason why most women don’t wear them (which is presumably what irks you) is that they don’t want to. Don’t recall any legislation banning them.
And as for ‘New Traditionalism’? A horrible piece of PR/New Labour speak. I might almost go so far as to say it’s Cameronesque. ;)
By the way, had a quick look on your website – very impressed with the artwork on there – top stuff. Presumably not a fan of Damien Hirst? :biggrin:
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Dave Dee
Are you aware of:
Soulmates?
Eden really isn’t my type at all but if you could persuade Jenny Pitman to sit for you similarly attired I would pay good money (a pony) for a lifesize painting; the view in the ceiling mirror these days is both embarrassing and depressing.
BTW oil preferably and definitely not watercolour.
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I don’t know about Mrs P but she is looking well these days….she looked really very attractive the last time I saw her; lots of make up and well dressed.<br> I think Hen may be a dark horse though!
What I am saying is that most women WILL be soon wearing suspenders etc. they always WANTED too among the working and upper classes but got ridiculed and insulyed by the petot bourgeois women. Well they have had their day and they have f**** the country up so back to the way we were please.
The New Traditionalism is a term coined by Conservationists to describe the way the Yakut and Evenk have returned to tjheir native lifestyle. They hail it as a model evertwhere. Hence with British foxhunting too; and just the genreral way we used to manage the land. It is the kind of thing Prince Charles talks about from the heart and deeply held convictions not labour/Tory soundbites.<br>Other people have then extended the idea to Architecture, Art, Photograpy, Fashion…it has revolutionused Couture (take a look at the Viktor and Rolf collection or the Dior Collection this year…real elegance is back….and of course Julien Mcdonald). Burlesque is back in a huge way. Just social conventions too…hence Debretts Guide and Elegance by Dariaux are among the surprise selling books this year. There is a resurgence of interest in classical battle dressage, and things like real tennis and lacrosse. My tip for this years muct have fashion accessory is a bowler hat. Two years ago I said covert coat and everyone laughed…now look at the bidding for them on ebay.Silk top hat prices have gone through the roof and it is a real faux pas to wear a grey topper.<br>Everyone used to laugh at me and Mr Ryall and Paul Nicholls and Andy from Dick reynolds and Charlie mann wearing those outrageous 30s plaid big caps…now they all want them. Baseball caps are so passe; as are trainers (and they are destroying the planet).<br>I could go on but you get the idea.
The ideas of New Labour TOTALLY ignore our heritage and traditions which are far from dead.<br>I LOVE that website the chap thing.
oh and ps. Maybe you had better come to out PT to PT dinner dance or Chepstow for our next fashion show if you think women don’t wear suspenders etc any more.
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I’m with GGD on the old lingerie lark. I’d find suspenders and stockings on a table leg erotic.
Care to add another sheet of foolscap venting your spleen against the current fad for the 4×4; that vehicle so admirably suited to city dwelling, the school run and office commute.
There is of course only one 4wd worth considering and that is the Land Rover Single Cab Pick Up. Seasoned by at least two previous careless owners and ten years in a farmyard so ensuring that impossible to fake aroma of sheep turds/dip/lanolin, dog breath, WD40 and pipe tobacco.
The rot set in with the invention of the Range Rover.
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