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ok, keep dreaming! it was his stiffest task to date and he got beat, fair and square, i would have liked nothing more than for him to be the next star. he dropped away at the point in the race when everything else dropped away in his previous 8 races. but you are obviously fond of the horse and fair enough give him another chance, but he isnt getting my money!<br>oh, and for your information my family and i own 36 horses between us and i have rehomed some old racehorses. and if a horse is lame it doesnt ‘suddenly get better’ walking down the horse walk. i suspect his muscles tied up, which often happens to horses after races and this does ‘walk off’. if he was lame mccoy would have dismounted the horse. he is no fool
If i remember correctly, when interviewed by Nick Luck on RUK , Jonjo stated BJK was fine and blamed the ground for the performance
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ground didnt beat BJK imo, but atleast it puts this lameness theory to bed. thankyou empty wallet.
Quote: from dave 22 on 7:51 pm on Jan. 27, 2007[br]ok, keep dreaming! it was his stiffest task to date and he got beat, fair and square, i would have liked nothing more than for him to be the next star. he dropped away at the point in the race when everything else dropped away in his previous 8 races. but you are obviously fond of the horse and fair enough give him another chance, but he isnt getting my money!<br>oh, and for your information my family and i own 36 horses between us and i have rehomed some old racehorses. and if a horse is lame it doesnt ‘suddenly get better’ walking down the horse walk. i suspect his muscles tied up, which often happens to horses after races and this does ‘walk off’. if he was lame mccoy would have dismounted the horse. he is no fool<br>
Fair enough Dave. I agree that it probably was a muscle tightness. I thought McCoy was about to get off him at one point. He did look very lame to me as they crossed the line though but as you say lameness just doesn’t ‘walk off’ so it was strange.
To be fair on the horse though once he was headed it didn’t take long for McCoy to pack in, he had said he wouldnt give the horse a hard race. Maybe he had gone over the top. Don’t forget Jonjo has said he has been ready to run for a while but soft ground has kept stopping him from running, it is very hard to keep a horse fresh when you have got him ready to run, he may just have gone over the top.
He did very quickly and today he did get beaten fair and square but maybe the ground matters to him more than we all thought. I can’t see how people are deserting him after one bad run (well, can you call it a bad run?). This almost certainly wasn’t his true form today, no one will know more than the jockey and the first thing McCoy said was that it wasn’t the same Black Jack as he had ridden before. We only watched the race, we can’t see what feelings the jockey is feeling underneath him.
Nah, BJK is not overrated IMO. Look at the way he beat Gungadu earlier. Gungadu made a race of it and BJK had him for brekkies. Not saying that he would win at the festival, but that wasn’t his run. I must admit to have fancying ID to do him today, and my money would be on ID to beat BB at the festival. Whether BJK can split the two is another matter, I fancy he can.<br>Note today’s race tactics too. ID and BJK were running their own private race, and I personally thought that BJK was beaten for tactical speed in a tactical race. ID stalked him all the way and pounced between the last two. Had it been BJK doing the stalking, it may have been a completely different finish.
If it was the ground that beat him then I don’t see why Inglis Drever shouldn’t improve for the better ground also and looks like value at around twice the price of BJK.
DJ must have lighening fingers getting that 4/1 – makes a fortune laying fallers in running I’d say!;)
Some good price differentials about for the Stayers currently with Ladbrokes going 6/1 IG & 5/4 BJK while Paddy Power are only 7/2 IG & 5/2 BJK.
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The form isn’t worth a hatful of crabs, imo.<br>A farcical pace, BJK ran some 20lb below his best, and Blazing Baileys apparently improved around 16lb in his 10th race over hurdles.<br>If they finish the same way round at the festival, you’ll see my naked butt in Woolworth’s window.;)
Quote: from reet hard on 9:55 pm on Jan. 27, 2007[br]The form isn’t worth a hatful of crabs, imo.<br>A farcical pace, BJK ran some 20lb below his best, and Blazing Baileys apparently improved around 16lb in his 10th race over hurdles.<br>If they finish the same way round at the festival, you’ll see my naked butt in Woolworth’s window.;)
Its a good job that wont happen then……..
I don’t quite believe the ‘doesn’t go on the ground’ theories because I just don’t believe that a horse as good as him can be so much worser on heavy. Best Mate wasn’t the same horse on heavy but he didn’t get beat a distance on it as BJK did today. Today’s conditions were extreme for Cheltenham’s standards but it was soft when he hacked on Blazing Bailey on his reapperance so I’m very sceptical.
I’ve no experience of looking after horses but to me he looked lame behind on pulling up so I won’t be taking any 5-2 until NRNB starts up if ever.
If the horse is fine, could it be that he just didn’t stay 3m in those conditions?
(Edited by PAULCS at 11:16 pm on Jan. 27, 2007)
I have to concur with Paul. I backed Blazing Baileys at 14s e/w as I thought he would finnish a good 2nd to BJK in the conditions. I thought BJK was lame pulling up and the 1st mile was a joke pace. I do not think BB will beat BJK in a true run race when both are sound even in today conditions.
I just don’t believe that a horse as good as him can be so much worser on heavy
Good horses are found out by different racing conditions all the time
Hopefully you can untangle the jumble, a flat racing example <br>…………………………………………..<br>Nannina
09Sep06Leo8GFG1,112K8-12-4/81L, Red Evie[9/4F] 8-12 Jimmy Fortuneâ€â€Â
Neither Black Jack’s jockey nor his trainer made any mention of the horse having any injury (unless I’ve missed it somewhere) to me he just seemed to struggle to get home in that class, on that ground at that trip. He’s stayed the trip previously but Dayjur would’ve stayed two miles against a cart horse. It could be that Black Jack Ketcham may prove better over a lesser trip at the highest level.
Quote: from empty wallet on 3:06 am on Jan. 28, 2007[br]I just don’t believe that a horse as good as him can be so much worser on heavy
Good horses are found out by different racing conditions all the time
Hopefully you can untangle the jumble, a flat racing example <br>…………………………………………..<br>Nannina
09Sep06Leo8GFG1,112K8-12-4/81L, Red Evie[9/4F] 8-12 Jimmy Fortuneâ€â€Â
I’m hoping that after today’s AIG, the trainer will decide to run Hardy Eustace in the Stayers’ as I think he’d have a very good chance. Although you’re taking a risk he’ll stick with the Champion, you can get 25/1 with Ladbrokes.
stormont, mccoy did ease BJK on the run in and didnt give him a hard time of it. if he had made him gallop to the line he would have been a closer 4th. imo if this had happened people would have said he was beaten fair and square and thats as good as he is. <br>i think he has been exposed and thats all there is too it, inglis drever has shown how good he is on faster ground and i cant see BJK beating him in march
I too think BJK is a bridle horse and not the utter machine he was hyped up to be. He’s a very good horse and better than he showed yesterday, true – but I still think he’s eminently beatable, especially in the Stayer’s. I tend to concur with tdk though too – in the hands of a different trainer it could be a different story!
I’m not so sure about Blazing Bailey tbh – he got the run of the race yesterday and BJK beat him in a laughingly easy manner before.  I do take a lot of heart from Drever’s run though and think he will be the one to beat at the Festival – I’m a massive Mighty Man fan but I think he needs a flat track to be seen at his best.  I’m dying to see him go over fences, that’s for sure!  Drever too, for that matter…….:biggrin:
(Edited by Shadow Leader at 8:56 pm on Jan. 28, 2007)
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