Biggest training error of the year?

[Gingertipster]

Didn’t even realise I’d said "who’s".

Didn’t realise this was an English Forum either.

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[Mr. Pilsen]

Just my way of helping you to realise that you’re just human, like the rest of us

[stevecaution]

The point about "hindsight" Steve is you are judging the "biggest trainer error of the year" by hindsight. Something that was not available to the trainer at the time a decision had to be made whether to run or not.

If you can not see the unfairness of doing so – I suppose any trainer who’s horse died in a race should’ve known better too?

Give it a rest for Christ’s sake.

Thanks for the good crack. Time for me to move on. Be lucky.

[Gingertipster]

I cannot understand why you are going on about hindsight all the time.

Just explaining "why" Steve.

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[andrew_03]

I posted my opinions well before the race

Where did you say Dawn Approach should not run Steve?

Don’t want to butt in to you two’s personal squabble, but to be fair to Steve he said on the Derby Thread well before the race, the following…

Good luck to Dawn Approach, it would be nice to see a champ emerge, however the Guineas form doesn’t look strong with a runner-up at 150/1 seemingly improving 20lbs on all previous form and all that I see looking at Dawn Approach’s races suggests he won’t stay, not that this will deter punters who seem to have a child-like faith that horses will get the extra half mile, despite history showing it doesn’t happen often.

And the following, note the bit in bold…not hindsight but clairvoyance!

Moving to Dawn Approach, he looks sharper than his father and I just don’t think he runs like a stayer. I like a horse who can travel economically and relaxed before lengthening stride, rather than quickening.

The way Dawn Approach moves looks like it would be hard to settle him in and I have reservations about how he will cope at Epsom.

He is a red hot favourite but I think there are enough doubts to leave him well alone and have a punt on something at much bigger odds.

[Gingertipster]

We know that Andrew, I’ve already given Steve credit for believing DA would not stay.

Yes Steve, you told us Dawn Approach wouldn’t stay, and you were right. But

believing

he wouldn’t stay is totally different to believing he should

not

have been given the opportunity of running

As I said earlier, some thought the horse would stay before the Derby, some thought he would not stay. It’s totally different to thinking the horse should

not run

. Yes Steve, you deserve credit for THINKING beforehand the horse won’t stay…

But at

NO point

does it say you thought the horse had

so little

chance of staying that connections were

idiots for running

.

THAT

is the whole point of the "HINDSIGHT" arguement.

People have gone from

thinking

BEFORE the Derby the horse would not stay and worth opposing at the odds – to (because of hindsight) AFTERWARDS thinking the horse should

not have run at all

and connections were idiots to do so.

I am often of the opinion a horse won’t stay the trip, but rarely do I believe they’ve got so little chance they should not run.

Horses are odds-on for a reason Steve.
If DA had so little chance of staying the trip before the race – then there is NO WAY knowledgeable punters would’ve allowed him to start that short. Therefore, if a horse has a good chance of winning the best 3 year old race in the World – it should surely run?

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[Oasisdreamer]

A most confusing thread….it’s easy to pick one word or sentence from another contributor and twist the meaning ever so slightly.

This thread would have been better created on 1st Jan before any racing had taken place for the year. We could all have put down our thoughts on Dawn Approach and various others. Come the end of the season some would be proved right and some wrong, simple as that.

The facts of the matter are that DA was a damn good horse but had an off day in the Derby and was never winning over 5f or 1m4f that day.

If that’s predicted pre-race or identified after the Derby has been run it doesn’t really matter now. If DA ever comes out of retirement Jim Bolger will know not to run his charge at Epsom or over 1m4f again.

Call that using a crystal ball or hindsight…it doesn’t really matter to me.

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