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Andrew Heffernan, three footballers and four more.
Cav , all the alleged offences were on the AW , is this a coincidence …I think not
Still I expect you will continue to sing its praises ……
IMO
Ricky
Hoorah for polyfibre haters like me, I hope for a change the people making the accusations have solid proof to back up their claims.
I dislike British all weather racing, and therefore pay no attention to it, no longer bet on it, and have no interest in it.
However stories like this do racing generally no good whatsoever.
Lets hope the Authorities have got good evidence, and it sticks.Has anyone watched the races the BHA has listed.
I did and was expecting to see some stopping jobs but gave up after watching 7 of the races.
One of the horses they list is Petomic he went of at 20/1
who the hell could make money of laying him?There’s at least 2 of them the horses wouldn’t have won with a 2 furlong start. He gave CROCODILE BAY an excellent ride and was throwing the kitchen sink at the horse all the way up the straight.
He may have given information that he thought the horses weren’t good enough or they hadn’t been working well but no way did he stop them.
JUNGLE BAY hit the front in the final furlong but was easily beaten by the winner who showed good turn of foot.
Not saying he has not broken the rules by giving out info. If he did he came very close to putting his contacts way on at least 2 occasions and I can’t see how such a large group of people and everyone else they know could make money. They’d be falling over each other trying to grab the lowest price they could to lay the horses.
I get the impression the BHA are making a meal of this because famous footballers were involved with Heffernan. My bet is they will all walk
Has anyone watched the races the BHA has listed.
I did and was expecting to see some stopping jobs but gave up after watching 7 of the races.
One of the horses they list is Petomic he went of at 20/1
who the hell could make money of laying him?There’s at least 2 of them the horses wouldn’t have won with a 2 furlong start. He gave CROCODILE BAY an excellent ride and was throwing the kitchen sink at the horse all the way up the straight.
He may have given information that he thought the horses weren’t good enough or they hadn’t been working well but no way did he stop them.
JUNGLE BAY hit the front in the final furlong but was easily beaten by the winner who showed good turn of foot.
Not saying he has not broken the rules by giving out info. If he did he came very close to putting his contacts way on at least 2 occasions and I can’t see how such a large group of people and everyone else they know could make money. They’d be falling over each other trying to grab the lowest price they could to lay the horses.
I get the impression the BHA are making a meal of this because famous footballers were involved with Heffernan. My bet is they will all walk
Couldn’t agree more!
Watched the three initially named expecting it to be all Casela Park and just saw a couple of no-hopers that would still be running today – including SILVER GUEST which died of a heart attack immediately after the race (clearly not enough effort expended there then!).
The Wanchai Whisper race looked more ‘likely’ but I don’t think he could have won either.
Funny case really, telling a bunch of dumb**** footballers that they’re in on a major coup laying 10’s shots. Don’t know what to make of it really.
Mike
90% of horses lose – so a tip to lay is far from being of great use or profit. Just lay newspaper nap "certs" if you want to make far more regular money than ever listening to jockey "opinions".
If the stewards took no action at the time, then making accusations of stopping horses 2 years on is incompetence on the part of the regulators, BHA. Their inactions are also bringing racing into dispute.
What is the real scandal is that these races occurred nearly 2 years ago. If it was a real issue to the integrity of racing and protecting the exchange punter, then unless charges follow rapidly within a few weeks and the alleged perpetrators immediately stopped in their tracks – what is the point of allowing them to go on allegedly cheating the public for another 2 years?
Just watched the report on Sky Sports News, opening lines and three words stick in the memory like glue, "Footballers, Race Fixing, Horse Racing".
Well that’s a load of hard work down the drain right? first word Football includes a billion pound industry of active participants on the worlds most predominant sports channel Sky Sports being exposed to the most ancient provocation of the commoners link between knowledge and horse racing.
I think it’s time someone stood up and took some environmental responsibility for whom are acting in a wider social climate need to realize it’s not Horse Racing that should take the battering by name, by stature, by reputation it’s a platform that allows easy manipulation of products and apart from the lack of social responsibility I’m more infuriated by the reluctance in reforming the classification of race fixing and the subsequent stigma attached.
Just watched the report on Sky Sports News, opening lines and three words stick in the memory like glue, "Footballers, Race Fixing, Horse Racing".
Well that’s a load of hard work down the drain right? first word Football includes a billion pound industry of active participants on the worlds most predominant sports channel Sky Sports being exposed to the most ancient provocation of the commoners link between knowledge and horse racing.
I think it’s time someone stood up and took some environmental responsibility for whom are acting in a wider social climate need to realize it’s not Horse Racing that should take the battering by name, by stature, by reputation it’s a platform that allows easy manipulation of products and apart from the lack of social responsibility I’m more infuriated by the reluctance in reforming the classification of race fixing and the subsequent stigma attached.
Errm…okaaay.
Mike
It seems that the BHA only get wind of these cases when something goes wrong with the plan. Content conspirators usually do not make much noise.
Has anyone watched the races the BHA has listed.
I did and was expecting to see some stopping jobs but gave up after watching 7 of the races.
One of the horses they list is Petomic he went of at 20/1
who the hell could make money of laying him?There’s at least 2 of them the horses wouldn’t have won with a 2 furlong start. He gave CROCODILE BAY an excellent ride and was throwing the kitchen sink at the horse all the way up the straight.
He may have given information that he thought the horses weren’t good enough or they hadn’t been working well but no way did he stop them.
JUNGLE BAY hit the front in the final furlong but was easily beaten by the winner who showed good turn of foot.
Not saying he has not broken the rules by giving out info. If he did he came very close to putting his contacts way on at least 2 occasions and I can’t see how such a large group of people and everyone else they know could make money. They’d be falling over each other trying to grab the lowest price they could to lay the horses.
I get the impression the BHA are making a meal of this because famous footballers were involved with Heffernan. My bet is they will all walk
Couldn’t agree more!
Watched the three initially named expecting it to be all Casela Park and just saw a couple of no-hopers that would still be running today – including SILVER GUEST which died of a heart attack immediately after the race (clearly not enough effort expended there then!).
The Wanchai Whisper race looked more ‘likely’ but I don’t think he could have won either.
Funny case really, telling a bunch of dumb**** footballers that they’re in on a major coup laying 10’s shots. Don’t know what to make of it really.
Mike
Surely you both can’t be that naive?
All horses apart from one were nowhere near 20/1. There is a vast difference between an opinion and a guarantee.
You could have made a fortune laying those horses and never had to work again.You state that the jockey on some of those horses did their best and couldn’t have done anymore, what better way is there to try and mask corruption than try your best, as long as you make sure you get beaten.
Surely you both can’t be that naive?
All horses apart from one were nowhere near 20/1. There is a vast difference between an opinion and a guarantee.
You could have made a fortune laying those horses and never had to work again.You state that the jockey on some of those horses did their best and couldn’t have done anymore, what better way is there to try and mask corruption than try your best, as long as you make sure you get beaten.
Let’s look at some facts and the maths.
Let’s presume each of these nine characters made around £100k from this supposed enterprise – even that is a long, long way from your supposed ‘never have to work again’ scenario – then that would require laying for a total of £900k over 9 races. Each horse therefore has to take out £100k.
The average SP of those horses was 7.4/1 – Betfair SP would probably be around 15% greater at that kind of price so call it 8.5/1. The layers should be able to lay roughly +/- that price in a standard market.
To take out £100k therefore, our friends would have had to dump on average £850 000 into the Betfair market on a single horse in a low grade All-Weather race and get it layed.
They did this nine times!
And nobody noticed!
And
I’m
naive.
Mike
(Note: of course in your ‘never have to work again’ scenario it would probably have to be at least five times this amount so umm, that’s over £4 million per horse in the Lingfield AW sellers/claimers…)
Let’s look at some facts and the maths.
Let’s presume each of these nine characters made around £100k from this supposed enterprise – even that is a long, long way from your supposed ‘never have to work again’ scenario – then that would require laying for a total of £900k over 9 races. Each horse therefore has to take out £100k.
The average SP of those horses was 7.4/1 – Betfair SP would probably be around 15% greater at that kind of price so call it 8.5/1. The layers should be able to lay roughly +/- that price in a standard market.
To take out £100k therefore, our friends would have had to dump on average £850 000 into the Betfair market on a single horse in a low grade All-Weather race and get it layed.
They did this nine times!
And nobody noticed!
And
I’m
naive.
Mike
(Note: of course in your ‘never have to work again’ scenario it would probably have to be at least five times this amount so umm, that’s over £4 million per horse in the Lingfield AW sellers/claimers…)
No one said the "never work again" applied to this case but whatever the figures corruption is corruption and anyone who thinks jockeys have to be seen "throwing" races to commit the act is extremely naive.
Why would you not try if you don’t need to? Just keep it in your locker if required.Surely in terms of providing of inside information, about which this case seems to be based, the idea of "throwing races" is a bit of a red herring. Given that the rides seemed to have been fairly straight forward it seems more of case that these "horses aren’t going to win because of xxxx" and substitute in any one of 101 reasons why a horse won’t win. plenty of horses run in races everyday with conditions against them. I could go through the card for Kelso tomorrow and quite confidently give you 40 runners that won’t win, but that doesn’t mean to say they aren’t trying.
The investigation would appear to be aimed at the providing of information rather than any particular lack of effort. Not that it’s any excuse, using inside information for gain is against the rules and should be punished.
Rob
who the hell could make money of laying him?
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