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  • #20930
    darranm3
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    Well lads,whats everybodys:
    Nap:
    EW:
    Lay:
    Handicap Plot Horse:

    Mine is:

    Nap:Quevega
    EW:Sir Des Champs
    Lay:Kauto Star
    Handicap Plot Horse:Ulck Du Lin-Fred Winter.P.F.N trained wont run until race,so will keep mark won a couple in France.

    #390019
    thehorsesmouth
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    NAP: Sir Des Champs
    E/W: First Lieutenant
    Lay: Grands Crus
    Handicap: Moon Dice in the County Hurdle

    #390023
    Zarkava
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    Nap: Hurricane Fly
    EW: Solix
    Lay: Grands Crus wherever he runs
    Handicap Plot Horse: Well seeing as you completely stole mine, Darren, I’m putting up De Boitron in the Grand Annual

    #390027
    TomBarkley87
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    Nap: Hurricane Fly
    EW: First Lieutenant
    Lay: Sprinter Sacre
    Handicap Plot Horse: Astracad(Grand Annual)

    @TopWeightTom

    #390029
    darranm3
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    Nap: Hurricane Fly
    EW: Solix
    Lay: Grands Crus wherever he runs
    Handicap Plot Horse: Well seeing as you completely stole mine, Darren, I’m putting up De Boitron in the Grand Annual

    Haha,Great Minds……

    #390060
    CheltenhamSpecialist
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    CERTAINTIES

    HURRICANE FLY
    SIZING EUROPE
    BIG BUCKS

    NAP..if she runs TUS NUA (Bumper)

    MATCH OF THE WEEK Quevega V.Voler La Vedette (too close to call)

    LAY OF THE MEETING

    LONG RUN

    #390062
    Shack1
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    NAP – Sizing Europe
    EW – Cash and Go
    LAY – Grand Crus – Gold Cup
    HANDICAP – Citizenship – County Hurdle

    #390066
    sketti
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    NAP – Sir Des Champs – Jewson
    EW – Rock on Ruby – Betting without Hurricane. 8-1!!!!
    Should be 4-1 in my opinion. Take on the 5 year olds annd oscar and him are closely matched. Ew bet at 8-1 should finish in the top four.
    LAY- Kauto for a place in GC and Zarkandar and Grandouet in the champion hurdle.

    Easy.

    #390067
    sketti
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    Handicap – Astracad with the BOZ

    #390077
    Zarkava
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    LAY OF THE MEETING

    LONG RUN

    So, we’ve got a twice-raced novice who’s beaten not a lot and a seriously under-par Peddler’s Cross on a track that suits the speedster Sprinter Sacre and not the grinding stayer Peddler’s Cross in a race that Nicky Henderson farms. He’s likely to have problems having another prep pre-Arkle due to the weather and he’s readily available at 3.4 to lay, yet you’d rather oppose the reigning champion, having had a year’s extra experience and growth in stark contrast to Kauto’s year to get older and more exposed.

    What sense does that make?

    If you have a clear idea of who will beat Long Run, back that horse at the price he is. Laying him is just ludicrous IMHO.

    #390093
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    If you have a clear idea of who will beat Long Run, back that horse at the price he is. Laying him is just ludicrous IMHO.

    I don’t lay horses but I thought the whole point in laying was when the layer feels a horse won’t win but (as yet) can’t quite decide who to back. He won the worst Gold Cup since Norton’s Coin, he’ll never win another

    I’ll have a clearer idea after Saturday

    How about Magnanimity? 6 lengths closer to winning his RSA than Long Run was to winning his RSA?
    How about Quito De La Roque? Would be around 4/1 if he’d not had an off day last time out and will go up the hill better than anything else

    thats two for starters……………….

    #390105
    Zarkava
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    Maybe he didn’t have an off-day?

    I agree that next year there’ll be considerably more talent over that distance to take him on, but I just don’t see anything to oppose him with.

    As for your extremely well-thought out theory about Magnanimity being beaten by a shorter distance than Long Run, I think I’ll let you keep all the profits from that one.

    #390108
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    As for your extremely well-thought out theory about Magnanimity being beaten by a shorter distance than Long Run, I think I’ll let you keep all the profits from that one.

    Im agree he’s one from the (far)left field but he’s lightly raced, he consistent, he stays longer than the mother-in-law and he’s a spring horse.
    Add to that an obvious liking for the course and the current(ridiculous) price of 100-1 and I’m tempted to have a small EW wager, despite my dislike of Ante Post betting. What price would he be if he pulled off a surprise (but not shock) win on Sunday?

    #390112
    sketti
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    What a truly high class renewal of the RSA Magnanimity nearly won.

    Field full of snails.

    #390114
    Zarkava
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    As for your extremely well-thought out theory about Magnanimity being beaten by a shorter distance than Long Run, I think I’ll let you keep all the profits from that one.

    Im agree he’s one from the (far)left field but he’s lightly raced, he consistent, he stays longer than the mother-in-law and he’s a spring horse.
    Add to that an obvious liking for the course and the current(ridiculous) price of 100-1 and I’m tempted to have a small EW wager, despite my dislike of Ante Post betting. What price would he be if he pulled off a surprise (but not shock) win on Sunday?

    He was beaten 50 lengths LTO and ran to 121 after Dessie Hughes very confidently predicted he’d be a Gold Cup contender. His career best is 155 and needs to improve 1 1/2 stone to even come close to winning.

    What’s ridiculous about 100/1?

    #390129
    sketti
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    Just laughing to myself at the notion of last years gold cup being weak. What a load of tosh.

    Winner has run two solid seconds,
    second retired through injury,
    3rd wins the betfair and the king george
    4th has only ran in the national regarding chase form
    5th murdered the argento
    6th second i n the argento confirming for with the 5th and hammering a few second season hopers.
    8th not ran since
    9th won the hennessy hammering second seasoners.
    Pulled up Weird al the nails second season hopers agai n in the charlie hall.

    Why should magnanimity improve, what suggests he has, this is the most hopeful effort to find a long priced winner.

    Quito is the only horse not to have been tested against these horses.

    Stating the gold cup was weak is laughable.

    #390136
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    What a truly high class renewal of the RSA Magnanimity nearly won.

    Field full of snails.

    If you say so but I suggest it was at least as good as the one Long Run ran in, after all Knockara Beau was only 1/2 length behind Long Run that day.
    That said, for a horse that in his previously race had struggled to shake off the attentions of King Edmund no less, 3rd was a pretty good run.

    If you read my posts I’ve not said that Magnanimity is going to win The Gold Cup, I’m saying that, in relationship to Quel Esprit, Bostons Angel and Jessie’s Dream, his form is at least the equal if not better than all of those and he’s a much longer price. Of the four he’s by far the most likely to be suited by the trip and hill and is also the most lightly raced and therefor the most likely to improve as he did all though last season.

    My main fancy is still Quito De La Roque but I’m going to park my opinions until Sunday afternoon and all the protaganists will have had a run.

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