June 10, 2021 at 12:45 #1544669
Can anyone more knowledgable help with this query?
I was under the impression the Chesham Stakes at Royal Ascot was resticted to juveniles who were sired by stallions whom won over a distance of 1m1.5f or further.
Battleground won last year, sired by War Front, who never ran over further than 7f.
I am obviously misinformed about something as usual – but what?
Many thanks in advance.June 10, 2021 at 13:24 #1544670SeasiderParticipant
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Just to point out that War Front won the Princelet Stakes at Belmont over 8½ furlongs aged 3 in 2005.
However, that’s still 1 furlong short of the entry requirement for the Chesham.June 10, 2021 at 13:35 #1544674IanDaviesParticipant
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Battleground is definitely ineligible for this year’s renewal – hope that helps!
https://m.facebook.com/pages/category/Personal-Blog/The-Point-to-Point-NH-Flat-racing-punter-105339604816039/June 10, 2021 at 14:05 #1544680
Battleground qualified via his dam, Found. These are the race conditions for this year:
“for two yrs old only, whose sire or dam won a race of a mile and a quarter or over”June 10, 2021 at 14:56 #1544689
Ah – Sire OR Dam. Could have sworn it was just Sire. Thanks AP.
Seasider – RP have no record of that, strange.
Ian – No, absolutely useless information, thanks.June 10, 2021 at 15:01 #1544690
It was just sire, but I’ve checked backwards and the qualification via the dam was introduced in 2019. No idea why, unless it was just designed to open up the race to more horses.
With the yearling markets dominated by sires that were sprinters and milers, perhaps somebody could see the day coming when the field for this would consist solely of six or seven runners from Coolmore.June 10, 2021 at 15:21 #1544695
Thanks again AP – nice to know my memory is reliable on occasion!
Agree with your assessment of why the change has included the Dam too. I quite liked the ‘Sire Only’ condition. Shame to see it go, sign of the breeding times as you say.June 10, 2021 at 16:02 #1544705SeasiderParticipant
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TTC: Seasider – RP have no record of that, strange.
It is odd.
For some reason the RP gives the horse’s 4-y-o form but ignores his two previous seasons.June 10, 2021 at 17:04 #1544710
Yes I noticed that too, in the small print below the actual form. The missing two seasons don’t appear in the ‘Win/Place/Prize Money’ summary either.
Maybe the RP started covering septic tank racing in 2006.June 10, 2021 at 17:31 #1544718IanDaviesParticipant
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“Ian – No, absolutely useless information, thanks.”
At least I’m consistent!
And you are most welcome!
https://m.facebook.com/pages/category/Personal-Blog/The-Point-to-Point-NH-Flat-racing-punter-105339604816039/June 10, 2021 at 17:38 #1544720June 11, 2021 at 08:52 #1544808
The basic lesson from War Front is never trust the Racing Post on anything to do with racing abroad. They’ve always had some level of US form in their database, but it’s hardly ever complete.
Check out the record for a 1996 horse called Skimming. On the Post database, he’s shown as going straight from a moderate conditions race at Wolverhampton, to a win in the Grade 1 Pacific Classic at Del Mar. In reality, he’d had five previous races in California before that G1 win.
I suspect in the case of War Front, he only got included in the Post database once he’d been placed in a Graded race, which he didn’t achieve until he was a 4-y-old.June 11, 2021 at 22:25 #1544952greenasgrassParticipant
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I’ve checked backwards and the qualification via the dam was introduced in 2019
Where do you check race conditions like this ap?June 12, 2021 at 07:19 #1544997
On the Racing Admin site run by Weatherbys, which unfortunately is only open to owners, trainers, etc. It’s the only site I’m aware of that includes the race conditions as part of the result.
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